Link: https://twitter.com/angryblacklady/status/1324801392733614080?s=21

  • ThisMachinePostsHog [they/them, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I honestly believe this is one of the worst takes I have ever seen, holy shit. The gaslighting that Khive does to paint progressives and leftists as raging misogynists and racists is pathetic.

  • LeninsRage [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Like I know there's tons of pushback against the notion that liberal identity politics are inherently fragmentary and insular, and that implying as much is "class reductionist" and affiliating oneself with the likes of /r/stupidpol, but this kind of take and the countless we have seen before it are the logical end result of this kind of bizzaro ideology. See also: the equating of the term "working class" with the fetishization of "white working class" and thus implying all class-based appeals are inherently racist.

    Identity politics without class consciousness are inherently reactionary. They can very, very easily be appropriated for the purposes of the capitalist class.

    • angry_dyke [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I said this earlier today to someone who was being kind of uncharitable to the DSA.

      Here is the only purity test we need as leftisists; one, is an org radically inclusive, and by that, does it seek to eliminate injustice and bigotry along, sex, gender, race, ethnic and religious lines and two, does it seek to eliminate capitalism and bring about socialism?

      Why is this so difficult for people to wrap their brains around? Both the stupidpol morons and the POC "I've got mine" ghouls on the other side of the coin. Oh right, because they're both motivated by tribal bullshit.

      • Blarglefargle [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        But but DSA did jazz hands at meeting so they dummmb (some weirdo who’s never done actual praxis)

    • angry_dyke [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Khive are what white boomers were in the late 60s; insufferable first generation college grads who think their bachelor's degree has conferred upon them some special knowledge to which the rest of the world lacks access.

  • BillyMays [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    She may have singlehandedly done more to make me a leftists than any other person on Twitter. Me unfollowing her and me becoming a marxists happened simultaneously.

    • artangels [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      i am sympathetic to, well not her, but many people that think like her. we live in a fucking fascist racist country with zero class consciousness. but this is just so wild to me. i almost dont think she even genuinely believes it anymore.

      • BillyMays [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I went through that thread painfully and ooohweee every take is just as bad if not worse. There’s a couple where she’s like we need to protect BlPOC and LGBTQ people, but beyond that it’s just democratic caping.

        Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton who she’s defending hate marginalized groups. Coming from a black feminist background I whole heartedly believe in intersectionality and have my own criticisms of the left when they fail to recognize the importance, but holy shit I’m not going to prop up ghouls because of it.

        But she doesn’t come from a black feminism understanding of the world. She comes from being a lawyer (a democrat) and uses black feminism to try and promote liberalism, it’s disgraceful really. Every tweet she knows she’s going to get called out for foreclosing on people’s homes, but seems incapable of understanding the relevance.

      • Neckbeard_Prime [they/them,he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I see it as either a psyop, or someone who has absolutely no concept of what words fucking mean. The two are functionally the same when it's someone shitposting into the void.

        • artangels [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          i think she just has bernie sanders derangement syndrome tbh and forms her ideology around that? im not sure. but i am sympathetic to what some here would call "race reductionism" like i truly get why many people would think in this way, good well meaning people too.

  • SovietyWoomy [any]
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    4 years ago

    How can we tell black people that their lives matter without making them feel like their lives matter?

  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Cops are popular with racists and liberals. Racism is also popular with racists. Checkmate

  • The_word_of_dog [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Marinara is popular in Italy

    Italy is also popular with italians

    How do you sell spaghetti from italy without tacitly endorsing italians thereby having a bunch of people yelling in your restaurant?

    • artangels [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I used to work in an Italian restaurant. Can confirm: there is a lot of yelling.

  • opposide [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Throw this back into their faces by reminding them Kamala has the “most progressive voting record” in the senate*

    *The study which says that defines progressive by number of times they vote with their party, but I don’t expect the KHIVE to have that level of nuance. Also that obviously isn’t what progressive means

    • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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      4 years ago

      That's in the memory hole; now that the primary is over, she was never progressive, only Mike Pence ever said she was progressive, and it's racist of you to assume that a black woman has to be progressive

      • opposide [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        It isn’t much but then again arguing with liberals in any way except attempts at radicalization is futile

  • kingspooky [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I might hate people like this more than I hate actual conservatives. It's close, but I really might. Absolutely every one of them should get the wall.

    • garbology [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      actual conservatives

      The US is so cursed, how is this not just a conservative?

    • DootDoot [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Honestly these people are making me rethink my stance on accelerationism.