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  • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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    Yeah that basically sounds plausible, neoliberalism is at its heart a class warfare project by the elite so it would appeal to a "very successful guy" as you term it. Neoliberalism can also only be applied to populations through the use of "the shock doctrine", which usually involves orchestrating some sort of disaster on a population that leaves the population confused and frightened and then using that space to impose laws that go counter to the populations interest (destroy workers rights, privatize everything, sell off a country's resources to foreign interests. etc. etc).

    It varies but requires at least small portions of fascism applied to a country to make the project succeed, and will require some sort of re-application of those fascist principles from time to time to keep the project alive. Since nazisim is to a large degree a variant of fascism I could easily see how that would appeal to a member of the elite (or very successful guy). This is also not really anything new, a mainstay of capitalism is that the system requires haves and have nots, and the system sorts people into those two groups. Typically the haves also need to justify to themselves why they get to own shit and oppress other people, if not in public then at least internally.

    I don't really know how many fash are in /r/neoliberal though, I have definitely seen some disturbing shit from there, but have also heard people on social media call themselves neoliberal when they just mean liberal, or because they still buy the American exceptionalism, human rights through war and boot-strapism (yeesh).

  • Classic_Agency [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

    What you are talking about has been mainstream American political strategy for the last 50 years

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    • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      neoliberalism absolutely is international fascism.

      prescriptivists who define fascism solely by its nationalist rhetoric will flip their shit about how thats an oxymoron, but you are correct

        • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          given that many of the international projects of neoliberalism are done under the heading of nation-like entities like NATO, its an especially meaningless distinction to draw the line of fascism as antithetical to neoliberalism.

          since it really seems to just be a question of scope, rather than policy

  • communistthrowaway69 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    I've yelled this before at Nazis or their adjacents when they seemed receptive. Especially when they're being really dumb and citing their own arrests as "evidence" of them being the real threat to power.

    This is already a white supremacist system. It's just not run by mask off idiots who don't know how to keep it under control.

    And they don't let peasants into the castle. That's the only "threat" you are, being trashy, wannabe competition.

    This can also be effective against idpol libs. You can point out that POC can assist, and even run, a white supremacist system. The people it benefits couldn't care less. Obama sided with the cops in Ferguson, started the Yemeni genocide, the Guatemalan coup, etc.

    So it makes perfect sense to me that fash would go neoliberal. To the monsters that run this system, it's essentially all the same things they believe.

  • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    well, neoliberalism only exists because it was implemented in a military dictatorship, and it also spawned neo-consevatism

  • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    ive said it before and ill say it again:

    neoliberals are fascists.

    thats it, thats the whole comment

  • zeal0telite [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    It's cos you get to be a horrible cunt but with none of the downsides of being a Nazi.

    Also neoliberalism is more of a "real" ideology right now compared to being a Nazi. You can be way more overt and are less like to be told to stop larping, or to shut the fuck up if you say you're a neoliberal.

    Most importantly, they're both anti-Communist.

  • lvysaur [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Slate star codex is basically this personified