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  • nohaybanda [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Bombing an Iranian general and national war hero was an act of war. The fact that Iran backed off to preserve peace and the lives of their citizens doesn't change shit.

  • StickmanPirate [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is a stupid take. He might not have started any wars but he still ramped up the drone program and even stopped them from reporting civilian deaths.

    Just because a "totally not a war" is conducted by flying robots, doesn't make it any less evil.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Trump was no anti-imperialist. He was just too lazy and incompetent to pull it off.

    • kijib [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Did you see the Cheney Biden thing? We're going to miss his incompetence, bet on it

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      With Libya (and Syria, too, although I think to a lesser extent) it's also important to note that the country was not at peace prior to the U.S. attack. There was some armed resistance that appeared to be genuinely popular. While some of that can be blamed on possible U.S. interference, people in other countries aren't just passive actors waiting for the CIA to give them orders; they can form opposition groups on their own, too.

      Picking a side when a conflict has already turned hot seems different than attacking a country at peace. It certainly makes it difficult to say you "started" anything. The U.S. still deserves plenty of blame for where Libya is today, but equating that to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan is ridiculous.

    • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Obama expanded US special forces & drone campaigns in subsaharan Africa, I think that counts? Also if one demarcates the ISIS campaigns as a distinct entity--that's another. And if you count the US involving itself in Syria, which I think you should.

    • garbology [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Nah, he's a total coward. His staff absolutely wanted to bomb Iran and he balked.

      EDIT: Actually @nohaybanda is right, Iran should get the credit for preserving peace to save lives despite assassinations and constant disgusting provocations from the USA.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        IIRC someone on his staff talked him out of invasion, too, it wasn't Trump pulling the plug all on his own. This is consistent with the "he'll believe the last person to talk to him" behavior we've seen in other situations.

        He certainly has no principled opposition to war.

  • garbology [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Just like the Bechdel test, this isn't an indication that he's good, just that a very low bar should not be so rarely cleared.

  • 389aaa [it/its]
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    4 years ago

    Hilarious that Chapos are rehabilitating trump before libs even start, christ

  • kitchenparty [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    and just like carter, he continued all the wars and just exported us genocide to the saudis!!!

  • bushdid911 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Take 1: He was just incompetent enough not be able to hold his shit together rather than "isolationist instinct" as some media ppl claim Take 2: It might reflect the actual decline of capacity at moving stuff around with regard to the Empire War Machine, it's a materialist reading considering the structural decline happened to be reflected on one historical contingent person.