EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)
EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)
If the 'thing you dont agree' with is hate speech or shit promotting violence for example that's the only sane option you have lol
Find me one neoliberal who isn't promoting violence.
Here's a comment thread where a Hexbear user said "I hope to kill people like you" because I simply said I supported democratic socialism.
Going on any Hexbear instance people froth over telling anyone right of Karl Marx to "get up against the wall". You guys are, and will always be, a joke.
You said you supported Social Democracy not Democratic Socialism. Dem Socs are well-meaning but idealistic, not optimistic but the political philosophy of idealism. Soc Dems are supporters of a kinder capitalism for the Imperial core but keeping the child slaves mining cobalt in the Congo.
The fact that you think these are the same proves the original posters point that you should read theory. They were harsh but you were implying that keeping exploitation of the third world is preferable to socialism.
What a terrible mistake to make! Perhaps you should have assumed it was the correct orientation of the two words that are spelled exactly the same.
I have, but thanks for the suggestion.
The abolishinists were mean to me. : 😭😭
The tankies were being tankies, not unexpected.
youre getting into arguments where you don't know what the words mean, and then acting indignant when people point that out
That's very ableist of you to conflate dyslexia with stupidity.
Least bad faith liberal
Assuming people are using words in the way they are widely and commonly accepted to mean (I mean, just look at Wikipedia for an easy starting point) is not a bad thing?
I'm innudated with endless notifications from you dweebs, mistakes happen.
People keep telling me that I shit my pants based off the way I smell and the growing brown stain on my pants but they're all tankies because they're all wrong
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What incredible insight. The word 'social' is referring to 'socialism' and so is the relation between 'democracy' and 'democratic'.
It would take an idiot to mix these up, right?
I guess social security = socialism security in your world? Social welfare programs are not socialism and if your political education included anything beyond Elizabeth Warren's policy page you'd know that.
No, social policies are not socialism, however, they do generally benefit the working class.
You guys are so worried about centrists that you are ignoring the fact that the US had a far right coup attempt less than three years ago.
And the US still has a far right regime in power, and has since 1776. What's your point?
No it has not been far right since 1776. I guess when you make up facts it's easy to prove your point though.
By the way, when's the glorious peoples revolution supposed to begin? More importantly, where are the people???
Read Liberalism A Counter History or shut up about shit you don't understand.
The people already revolted in the worlds largest country and their success will convince people to make similar steps once it's made obvious you're being fucked by your far right regimes. The people are hungering in most of the world and they will stand up you brain wormed fucker
Read this book I just read last month or you don't know anything!
It's funny, no matter how many reading assignments I actually partake in, it's never enough. Perhaps your movement would be more successful if you spent less time alienating anyone right of Ho Chi Minh.
Then read any fuckin book about this subject before speaking
Funny you mention that. Whenever I do cite any "theory" that I have read, you well-read individuals somehow always disappear and avoid discussing anything. I'm sure you'll either A) do the same thing or B) move the goalposts all the way to Laos/Cambodia.
https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/2650764
Lol is that your best fuckin example? You didn't cite Marx lol you just misunderstood an analysis for a method and made a shit argument. You didn't deserve a good reply and dont now. I'm all for whatever analyses come out to peacefully move forward, but you're just preserving the current world for your benefit not trying to prevent some deaths or something. Millions die yearly to preventable causes which would end with global socialism.
I have never had the opportunity to have a more in-depth discussion because you guys seem more interested in smugly acting more intelligent than everyone, forgetting you need to recruit "people" to have a "people's revolution".
Since you're one of the wise leaders of the revolution, what is your plan to bring your superior ideologies to the masses?
I'm not first bringing ideologies to the masses, it's first proving a method works and then explaining why and how. You do this through Analyze the rising maladies of a system, describe how they've come about and explain how the solution only moves in 1 direction, socialism. Now I'm not gonna waste time explaining at any more depth until you prove yourself to be someone at all worth my time here by showing you've read literally anything relevant to the discussion.
I'm not more intelligent than the masses, no in fact I think that this is precisely only how you can think. There are those who have the time to develop certain skills which can be applied to reaching the intelligence and needs of the masses and those for whom that time is difficult and they build expertise in their specific fields. A vanguard is exactly the people who learn how to learn from the masses, not the opposite. Lenin was beloved for his ability to do this, and Stalin soon after with similar astonishingly high approvals.
Let me remind you, you're the one who thinks you're smarter and better than those masses who had to perform revolution to improve their conditions. I think they're just better than you
Yeah there are a lot of people smarter and better than me so that's not the insult you think it is.
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Your beef is with the English Language not me. How is it my fault that you misidentified yourself? Funnily enough, you still don't identify your actual political position. It's clear that the only political position you'd take is what gives you an advantage in the argument. Fucking debatebros lol.
Reading so much theory that you confuse two different political ideologies. Sometimes I read so much theory that that I claim to be a monarchist when I really mean to say I'm an anti-monarchist. Obviously the other person should have understood what I meant. Your literally on a communication medium that allows you to plan and edit your comments. You have no excuse for making this grade school mistake.
Debatebro? That's what Hexbear does best.
I would actually love to engage in good faith discussions, but Hexbear users only operate in bad faith, particularly by sealioning. Like clockwork, you don't engage in ideas but rather give reading assignments.
I've read Das Kapital and agree with virtually all the premises about how society is unfair to those who actually generate the surplus value and think that we need to fix a system that breaks cyclically, as Karl Marx correctly predicted in volume I. The only solutions I've seen presented are a total revolution a la 1917, which occured before globalization. Anything close to this in the current globalized world will kill at minimum hundreds of millions globally due to interdependence on products that Marx would consider "needs", such as medications and medical equipment like dialysis machines.
The difference between you and me is that I'd rather work to reestablish democracy away from capital interests. I don't want a dictatorship, I want a functional democracy. Propaganda is often used to disillusion the working class from democracy, and if you don't vote in elections then you are clearly part of the problem.
Edit: Lmao. Citing"theory" gets crickets from the people who endlessly say "you just haven't read theory". It's like they don't know what to do with someone who reads to understand, rather than "reading" just to virtue signal.
Hahaha, literally "I know you are but what am I"
Lmao peak angry chud solipsism. "I would never read except to lord it over others, so that must be what these commies are doing."
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Where has it worked?
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Cuba is your best example, however, it is a socialist state and not communism.
China has three stock exchanges and is not communist:
The USSR never got to the "people's dictatorship", ya know, because the dictators never completed that step. Despite being a very powerful country at their peak, the USSR only exists as a memory of a failed state.
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"The sky is green and I know you dumb neoliberal are going to try and tell me it's blue!"
How do you reconcile the fact that China has more stock exchanges than BurgerlandUSA?
Pretty hard to defend, so I expected you to claim bad faith and throw in the towel. Your Hexbear friends have better endurance and wit.
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Ok, give me a call when we are about to start the people's revolution. My mom gave me enough money to get snacks for everyone.
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You can keep waiting for the revolution, I'll keep working on getting democratic socialists elected.
We can compare notes on who made a bigger difference in a few decades.
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What's your plan? Crickets
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How do you plan on implementing these strategies in 2023, in a country that has global hegemony and the ability to prevent a 1917? Crickets again
This you?
Haha, classic Catradora_Stalinism, what a rascal.
She would make a great staffer in the Lubyanka.
She's probably like 16 dude chill and welcome to the Internet where people fling the most unhinged nonsense at each other without a second thought
An aggressive communist with no sense of how the world works could be a child? You're the most self aware Hexbear user.
Also lol to "dude chill". I'm not the one fantasizing about murdering people.
Nah the capitalist system you cheer for murders people just fine, Mr. Welfare-capitalism-is-actually-socialism
She's not here, do you want me to pop into that thread and chastise her for you?
My mind just boggles at the fact that anyone is taking this two bit reddit clone seriously enough to carry a grudge longer that the lifespan of a single thread.
You're doing a lot of coping with that seething.
I'm fucking livid
TIL I am internetting wrong lol.
For me personally, flinging unhinged shit at other users is tiring. I find it much easier to either be nice or abandon ship
It takes all kinds.
mfer im in college im crying ahhhhhhhh
Hah classic Catradora bamboozle you rascal.
IM NOT CRINGE! IM NOT CRINGE! IM BASED! BASED!
The Duality of Posts
Pixels on Screen, 2023.
so you promoted violence first?
i'm failing to see your complaint here
Oh silly you.
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I support what are realistic policies actually will push the status quo in the direction you want.
Larping on the internet waiting for a revolution to occur seems like a nice fantasy.
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There are numerous democratic socialists who are in Congress, you just aren't paying attention.
Run for office. There have been many spoilers from genuine grassroots campaigns. Don't want to do either? Keep coping and seething online.
The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. Entryism always ends up changing the entrant instead of the system. We are revolutionary socialists.
It's clear you never studied US politics if you think that is remotely true. The Gilded Age and the Great Depression briefly pushed America away from corporate interests towards policy that benefited the working class. We averted overt fascism a la the Business Plot and the ratfucking that Smedley Butler disclosed while being the most badass anti-capitalist ever.
You're not a revolutionary socialist, you're a larper who won't do anything to better the world other than wait for this revolution like it's the second coming of Christ.
You guys are the QAnon of the left.
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Present some options that have broad appeal and would be accepted by the proletariat. I don't know if you've looked around the US, but the voting proletariat generally find centrist policies to be "far left".
How do you have your people's revolution without the people?
How does any of that disagree with what he said?
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I'm talking about Emmanuel Goldstein. Anyone I can possibly list will never meet your purity test.
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Don't forget to send me a text when the revolution starts, comrade.
The purity test of having the wherewithal to oppose the economic system killing the earth and everyone on it.
I too support democratic socialism
Allende just needed more people's militias
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the Allende thing is more a US intervention problem that a democratic socialism problem. Certainly Mohammad Mosaddegh would agree.
Wow, you mean the US will just destroy you no matter how much you play by their rules, and that all that handwringing about evil communism is just bad-faith obfuscation from the world-eating vampire class to mislead their billions of victims? Wild.
So socialism, if it has any degree of democracy to it, which is kind of essential to socialism, is evil in your eyes.
What version of decision making is acceptable in socialism then?
Just one party rule?
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Extreme violence is still violence. Industrial violence on a massive scale is still violence. You are advocating for violence, terrible violence, and then getting upset someone else advocated for comparatively mild violence.