Fucking hate the Imperialist Democratic Party, and think there's basically no chance they'll actually pass meaningful student debt relief under Biden.

But a universal vanquishing of the first $50,000 held in student debt by graduates will meaningfully improve the conditions of tens of millions of Americans; for both graduates, and those who did never attended a post-secondary institution alike.

57% of Americans support "forgiving up to $50,000 in student loans for individuals who live in households that make less than $250,000 a year", including a majority of those who never attended a College.

This just seems rich considering Chapo often mocked liberals who were incapable of admitting that Trump can do good things at times, and now they may fall into the same trap of opposing on instinct everything coming from the Biden camp.

Actually people should keep suffering, because stopping it with the stroke of a pen would alienate the working class

  • jabrd [he/him]
    1·
    4 years ago

    Matt’s on a kick with his new theory that there’s going to be a political realignment where the Dems only appeal to college grads and the GOP to non-college grads because the parties will soon be/already are divorced of any material differences so it’s all aesthetics anyway. I kinda see how he gets to this take from that idea but this is a stupid take regardless

    • boyfriend_ascendent [he/him,undecided]
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      4 years ago

      I think it's stupid if you view it as the most defining feature of the future dividing dichotomy of US electoral politics, but I do think it's becoming way, way more salient asa cultural divide. To be charitable to Matt, I think he's working this theory out in public, versus presenting a refined version.

      • T_Doug [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It's not a bailout plan for Colleges lol, they've already got the money from Student Loans. 92% of Student debt is held by the Department of Education.

        It is a popular policy among a majority of Americans, as you can see in the poll I linked at the top. A majority of both College Graduates, and those who never attended support Student Loan forgiveness.

        Two thirds of High School grads these days go on to University, it's not some sort of boutique PMC only issue as you portray, a University degree is increasingly becoming as necessary as a High School Diploma in the modern workplace, and it's not great that it near universally necessitates a great deal of painful debt.

        • AllTheRightEngels [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          You know that thing that affects ~40% of the population and keeps a roof over their heads? It's a fringe issue, aksually

        • T_Doug [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          A similar percentage of American households rent as hold student debt. Therefore both issues most be wholly unimportant, and literally only matter to City Dwelling PMC Libs.

            • PhaseFour [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              The average American voter is 45+ years old, owns a home, and student debt is barely a memory, if they ever had any at all.

              Imagine being this white lol

              Redlining, never heard of it. 40% of Americans rent, they are not average

                • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  the vast majority of Americans are 45+, homeowners

                  This is a lie lol

                    • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                      4 years ago

                      40% of Americans rent. 30-40% of adults are between 18 and 45.

                      If there's any intersection between those two numbers, it's a lie with even stricter parameters.

                        • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                          4 years ago

                          Yes, so maybe half the country is both +45 and a home-owner.

                          That is a far-cry from a "vast majority" or being the "average American."

                            • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                              4 years ago

                              “Student debt” is simply not a direct material issue for the vast majority of Americans.

                              This is the first comment in the thread.

                              Yes, we all know the reasons why, but the vast majority of Americans are 45+, homeowners, with no experience of ever even having large amounts of student debt.

                              This is the comment I was referring to.

                              I didn't notice you said "voters" once when you realized the numbers did not line up how you imagined.

                            • rolly6cast [none/use name]
                              1·
                              4 years ago

                              simply not a direct material issue for the vast majority of Americans

                              Similar to when progressives talk about “rent”

                              You didn't open this with voter. A lot of people expect to own a home and we have views of poor people as losers, sure. Any successful progressive movement will have to be with a decent chunk of working class people independent of their voting status now or not, at a local organizing level to address concerns like rent and threats of evictions that are incoming. It's pretty bizarre to present it as some distanced harmful limited thing to the left to talk about on the level of student debt.

        • Barabas [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Nobody without a diploma rents obviously. Showing some more of the working class = rural brainworms, and many people rent even in rural areas.

          • rolly6cast [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            I... what? Our base isn't generally "middle Americans" and I don't think we've claimed that. What's your suggestion for the optimal messaging or tactical approach.