As far as I know, all of them - USSR, Cuba, China, Vietnam, NK etc, implement gun control. Why should their governments do that? The people of these states genuinely support(ed) socialism, if they are/were all armed they can protect socialism far better than the 1% of the population that makes up the military.

  • weshallovercum [any]
    19·
    4 years ago

    Cuba gun ownership : 2.1 firearms per 100 people

    China gun ownership : 3.6 firearms per 100 people

    Vietnam gun ownership : 1.6 firearms per 100 people

    North Korea gun ownership : Lack of accurate data but the state heavily regulates gun ownership per an act passed in 2009

    You don't have to defend every single aspect of every socialist country. Admitting mistakes is how you improve the next socialist experiment. I simply cannot think of one good faith reason why these countries banned gun ownership.

      • weshallovercum [any]
        14·
        4 years ago

        I've read the post. I disagree with the idea that gun ownership should only be allowed in defense of the revolution. What if the government no longer represents the will of the people? In all AES countries, the state holds the monopoly of force, if people are dissatisfied with the state, surprise surprise, they cant do shit because they are unarmed. Besides, I disagree with the idea that guns should be banned in principle. There is no justification possible for guns to be banned.

        Whenever you make dumb arguments like this to justify every single thing that socialist countries do, try to apply that same policy to yourself. Would you want your own government to ban guns? Even if they gave the caveat that you can operate guns during times of war?

        I'm sure Cuba or NK will arm their people when it suits them, such as during foreign invasion, but why take away guns at all? I don't think individual gun ownership is bourgeois as much as individual ownership of clothes or utensils.

        Let me make it super simple. Guns provide power. Power must be spread to the people. It's that simple. Please stop ideology from letting you realize what is happening here.

        Socialists : UnDer nO ciRcumStaNCeS

        Also Socialists : Ackshually you see individual gun ownership is bourgeois, ppl should only have guns to defend the state which is always perfect and incorruptible 😔

          • weshallovercum [any]
            14·
            4 years ago

            Agreed. The “horrible dictators take away guns” criticism comes from the US, where the govt does not represent the will of the people, anyone can have a gun and… what? How is this better? More school shootings per capita, I guess.

            This is an idealist analysis of events, exactly what I'm telling you to stop doing. In the US, military power is concentrated with the state, guns are not the only weapons, you also have nukes, bombs, tanks, planes etc. Gun ownership among civilians is heavily concentrated among the right wing and right-leaning liberals. Something like 48% of gun owners have more than 4 guns. There is no socialist movement of any significant size. The majority of the population implicitly supports the way of life. These are the facts why the US population, despite an apparent high rate of gun ownership, do undertake any military action against the state. Also school shootings can be stopped if adults are armed, stop being A FUCKING LIBERAL HOLY FUCK.

            None of these facts are an argument against gun control in socialist state. You are taking leaps of logic and conflation beyond anything I've seen, please stop letting ideology cloud your mind.

            The 2nd amendment in the US is unique, and should be leveraged, no doubt, but let’s not circlejerk about it, that’s NRA’s job. Do or don’t. Be the change you want to see in the world instead of using right wing talking point to denigrate countries that achieved something by way of socialism, unlike the US with all its guns.

            Nobody here is circlejerking abt the 2nd amendment, you seem to be suffering from an inferiority complex where you think any criticism of socialism is coming from a chauvinist American. Im not even from a Western country. Once again, Marx called for the ruthless criticism of all that exists. Gun control is an objectively terrible policy that all socialist countries implemented.

            I agree with @glimmer_twin. Cuba et al are under a constant threat of a foreign sponsored coup. Lives of US war hawks would be made much easier if they didn’t have to smuggle the weapons in.

            When guns are a problem, you try to solve the problem, not take away the guns. Notwithstanding the fact that this a bullshit excuse since coups can be much more effectively countered when 100% of the population is armed to the teeth rather than 5%, there are methods to deal with foreign interference such as having an effective counterintelligence agency or secret police.

            I don’t want to be governed, I live in the enemy’s territory, and do not consider any government “my own.” But in my perfect world there are no guns because killing people = bad.

            This is next level liberalism(anarchism). It doesn't matter what you consider the govt, they own your ass anyway. Perfect worlds dont exist and are irrelevant to any discussion.

    • fed [none/use name]
      1·
      4 years ago

      These statistics show people own guns? Gun culture is quite different from the US around the world. The State not forcing a gun into your hand is not them banning you from owning one