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  • socialist [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    the us and the niderb russia are also very livable for the average people

    • volkvulture [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      not really lol

      average household wealth in the US has decreased since 1989

      real average wages purchase less now than they have in 50 years in the US

      Russia's human development is only now reclaiming ground it lost since the fall of USSR, and still things like education and healthcare are unaffordable in Russia today, and both were free for everyone during Soviet times. These things remain totally unaffordable for average people in USA

      you're way off lol

      • socialist [she/her]
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        Why do you keep replying when i dont give shit about you defending the ussr it killed the whole global socialist movement as quickly as it inspired it

          • socialist [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            Keep jerking of assad and lukashenko they will surely bring socialism

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              keep attacking strawmen, that will surely create a global anti-work "zone" where prosperity flows from dry streambeds & progress is achieved without trying/failing

              • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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                4 years ago

                Like I'm mostly with you here but you doing this "antiwork" dig is uncomfortable for me because like, there are ableist implications to that that I really don't like. I'm "antiwork" because working as an autistic person has basically already drained me of the will to do any work again. And I'd hope that employment under a modern socialist system would be so fundamentally different that it wouldn't be "work" anymore. The fact that many abled/NT MLs don't seem to have a will to establish such a thing is probably my biggest issue with them. For me to believe that ML socialism would make a world that would like, actually be better for me in a fundamental way, I have to believe that employment under their system wouldn't be anything like it is under capitalism. Because sitting on my ass for three years contributing nothing doesn't make me happy either, but I'm too drained and traumatized by past experiences to go back to work.

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  socially necessary labor has to be done, & not only complained about. though I agree that work as it's conceived & carried out in present day capacities is beleaguering & tortuous. the key point is what the society values after that socially necessary labor is completed. Marx argues for a reduction of the working day and increases in free time

                  work must be defeated... which, in typical dialectical fashion, is a telos that actually requires real concerted work to achieve

                  human existence is itself labor & human beings require material resources & energy inputs & social structure in order mature & reproduce themselves.

                  disabled people & orphans & all those unable to work must be supported by those who do. nothing can change this

                  wishing for AI or FALGSC isn't the same as building them

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  work is service

                  but organized work doesn't have to be exploitative if it's directed from within & organized in a concerted way within larger systems of social relations