The new coronavirus was circulating in Italy since September 2019, a study by the National Cancer Institute (INT) of the Italian city of Milan shows, signaling that COVID-19 might have spread beyond China earlier than previously thought.
We're getting more and more evidence to support the theory that this virus didn't originate from a "wet market in China" and had been circulating in Europe for a while before being discovered by a superior communist healthcare system.
Wouldn’t doubt it. How would they have known? There was no test for it. And then immediately when it showed up it killed thousands of people in nursing homes. Seems sus
i live in a east coast metropolitan city in the US: i remember being absurdly, ridiculously sick (pink eye, sinus problems, coughing, etc) early in January when I was supposed to be housesitting for a friend while they were traveling for a music fest in another east coast metropolitan city, and then later haring from people who went to this fest that people were getting absurdly ridiculously sick the whole weekend, which was attributed to a generic "fest plague".
I ended up getting diagnosed with pink eye and didn't think much of it, but in retrospect...
But how did it not affect the health care system for so many months? Did the virus mutate into something more lethal in 2020? Does this mean its still mutating?
Those are all valid questions that would need to be examined, hence the reason for scientist to be hesitant to upend the entire timeline of events.
But how did it not affect the health care system for so many months?
People would just die i guess, and have it categorised as unknown pneumonia related death.
Did the virus mutate into something more lethal in 2020?
Entirely likely, we knew of 14 mutations back in may, some more lethal than others.
Does this mean its still mutating?
Yes, viruses are always mutating, it's not necessarily that dangerous as they usually become less dangerous over time, back in may the European variant was classified as more infectious than the one detected in China. The recent danish mink genocide was about this, fear that crossing the human to animal back to human threshold would create a new more lethal variant.
Out of sheer curiosity because I gotta deal with some of the worst libs on a more regular occasion than I'd like: Is there any good sources for this? Like, think of the kind of source that libs who uncritically take everything AP and Reuters says at face value, for instance. I'm super curious, especially because an acquaintance had what they think was Covid in January, before it was supposed to have hit where it did.
It's not hard and done quite yet. It might even be a few more years. Evidence still has to be collected and peer reviewed, and it could end up going nowhere. These are just early signs that another timeline is possible.
Edit: but yeah the OP should be enough for the time being
We're getting more and more evidence to support the theory that this virus didn't originate from a "wet market in China" and had been circulating in Europe for a while before being discovered by a superior communist healthcare system.
Multiple people have told me they thought they had it in December/January.
Yeah I've heard people here in the US who swear they had it fall of last year.
Wouldn’t doubt it. How would they have known? There was no test for it. And then immediately when it showed up it killed thousands of people in nursing homes. Seems sus
I had a really bad case of flu in january. Same with my parents
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i live in a east coast metropolitan city in the US: i remember being absurdly, ridiculously sick (pink eye, sinus problems, coughing, etc) early in January when I was supposed to be housesitting for a friend while they were traveling for a music fest in another east coast metropolitan city, and then later haring from people who went to this fest that people were getting absurdly ridiculously sick the whole weekend, which was attributed to a generic "fest plague".
I ended up getting diagnosed with pink eye and didn't think much of it, but in retrospect...
I had horrible dry cough and body pain for a couple days and then coughing for weeks.
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But how did it not affect the health care system for so many months? Did the virus mutate into something more lethal in 2020? Does this mean its still mutating?
Those are all valid questions that would need to be examined, hence the reason for scientist to be hesitant to upend the entire timeline of events.
People would just die i guess, and have it categorised as unknown pneumonia related death.
Entirely likely, we knew of 14 mutations back in may, some more lethal than others.
Yes, viruses are always mutating, it's not necessarily that dangerous as they usually become less dangerous over time, back in may the European variant was classified as more infectious than the one detected in China. The recent danish mink genocide was about this, fear that crossing the human to animal back to human threshold would create a new more lethal variant.
Wasnt the 2019 flu season particularly bad?
I'm curious where I can read about this
Some other evidence that points in the same direction, but burden of proof is high since it upends scientists entire timeline of events.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ
Nathan Rich also has a useful timeline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO5EXjFKE7U&vl=en
Out of sheer curiosity because I gotta deal with some of the worst libs on a more regular occasion than I'd like: Is there any good sources for this? Like, think of the kind of source that libs who uncritically take everything AP and Reuters says at face value, for instance. I'm super curious, especially because an acquaintance had what they think was Covid in January, before it was supposed to have hit where it did.
Edit: fuck me I'm dumb and can't read thread OPs
It's not hard and done quite yet. It might even be a few more years. Evidence still has to be collected and peer reviewed, and it could end up going nowhere. These are just early signs that another timeline is possible.
Edit: but yeah the OP should be enough for the time being