If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.

― Winston Churchill (Speech in Rome on 20 January, 1927, praising Mussolini)”

I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between Communism and Nazi-ism, I would choose Communism.

― Winston Churchill

I have never in my life seen these quotes before. Holy shit they're bad.

  • Classic_Agency [he/him,comrade/them]
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    I do not admit that the dog in the manger has the final right to the manger, though he may have lain there for a very long time I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been to those people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race or at any rate a more worldly-wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. I do not admit it. I do not think the Red Indians had any right to say, 'American continent belongs to us and we are not going to have any of these European settlers coming in here'. They had not the right, nor had they the power.

    The only reason why he opposed Germany was that its was Britain's interest to do so. Had things been different he would have been a supporter of Hitler most definately.

  • Waylander [he/him,they/them]
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    Churchill wanted to invade the USSR after the end of WWII. The lack of manpower was supposed to be resolved by arming imprisoned Nazis to bolster the UK armed forces.

    There's a reason the first thing the UK did after the war ended was dump him in favour of Attlee.

      • Waylander [he/him,they/them]
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        Churchill won more seats in 1951 despite having fewer votes than Attlee. The UK political system is kinda fucked, although not quite to the extent as the US one (at least currently).

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    The entire British Establishment supported Nazism

    When antiCommunists whine about Soviets signing Molotov-Ribbentrop pact that's only after the British spent the entire 1930s claiming the Britain and Nazi Germany will be a bulwark against communism and after the British signed 3 pacts with Hitler which were all directly against the Soviet Union (the 4 powers pact meant to exclude and isolate Soviets, the Naval agreement meant Germany could have a navy up 35% of the British navy meaning it wouldn't threaten British empire but every country on the baltic sea...ie the Soviet Union and finally the Munich Betrayal which was understood to be a gesture of a "free hand" (british diplomats words not mine) for Hitler to go east

    In spite of these difficulties he (Lord Halifax) and other members of the British Government were fully aware that the Fuhrer had not only achieved a great deal inside Germany herself, but that, by destroying Communism in his country, he had barred its' road to Western Europe, and that Germany therefore could rightly be regarded as a bulwark of the West against Bolshevism

    And

    In spite of these difficulties he (Lord Halifax) recognised that the Chancellor had not only performed great services in Germany, but also, as he would no doubt feel, had been able by preventing the entry of Communism into his own country, to bar Its passage further West. The Prime MIinister held the view that it should be possible to find a solution of out differences by an open exchange of views

    Lord Halifax, Documents And Materials Relating To The Eva Of The Second World War Vol-1

    When the Soviets liberated Germany they were able to get a huge cache of British diplomatic documents. The Soviets released the above book and Documents And Materials Relating To The Eva Of The Second World War Vol-2 full to the brim of diplomats praising Nazi Germany as a twin pillar alongside Britain stopping communism

    Lenin pointed this out in Imperialism: The Highest Stage Of Capitalism and dug a quote out from Cecil Rhodes ( a disgusting colonial piece of shit) who said:

    “I was in the East End of London (a working-class quarter) yesterday and attended a meeting of the unemployed. I listened to the wild speeches, which were just a cry for ‘bread! bread!’ and on my way home I pondered over the scene and I became more than ever convinced of the importance of imperialism.... My cherished idea is a solution for the social problem, i.e., in order to save the 40,000,000 inhabitants of the United Kingdom from a bloody civil war, we colonial statesmen must acquire new lands to settle the surplus population, to provide new markets for the goods produced in the factories and mines. The Empire, as I have always said, is a bread and butter question. If you want to avoid civil war, you must become imperialists

    The imperialists have understood for a long time to prevent Socialist revolution they must by all means have new lands, new markets, new pools of cheap labour to rinse to placate the workers in imperialist nations.

    The only real difference between someone like Churchill and Hitler was Hitler waged this violence against Europeans for his Lebensraum. If he'd done this in India/Africa or China this would just have been "competing for markets".

  • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    The Crimes of Winston Churchill

    Some choice quotes from the page:

    “I’d rather see them have a good civil war”. – Churchill wishing partition on India

    “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against the uncivilized tribes… it would spread a lively terror.” – Churchill on the use of gas in the Middle East and India

    “100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilised/others put in labour camps to halt decline of British race”. He also went on to suggest that “for tramps and wastrels there ought to be proper labour colonies where they could be sent”.

  • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Wasn't he one of the officers that led the British invasion of the USSR to aid the White Army too, and deployed chemical weapons against the Red Army?

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    Yeah, those are bad. Almost as bad as the

    Those who are young and aren't liberal don't have a heart. Those who are older and not conservative don't have a brain.

    misquote.

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    the only difference between him and the generic fascist archetype is that he already had an empire to maintain, and that he didnt mind electoralism because whats electing a labour government going to do with the imperial character of the country anyways?

  • OneTrueLeftist [he/him]
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    Do you have context for that second quote? Like I assume it means which one he wants to eliminate but it’s confusing me.

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    Churchill wasn't a fascist but more so an abjectly naked proponent for the British empire, the British people, the British monarchy and it's preservation over all else.

    If it was in the best interest to align with the British Union of Fascists under Mosley to preserve the crown, Churchill would do so. If preserving the crown meant making concessions to the British trade unions and the CBGB, then you bet your ass Churchill would be fucking salty over it but he'd do it.

    If it was in the interest of preserving the crown to intentionally starve the Bengals and Indians by extorting all their food supplies so the British Isles would have a food surplus to make a profit off of in the post war climate? Guess what fucker, Churchill did that.

    That fat fuck was a dogshit inbred arch-imperialist to his core, and may he rot in hell for it. But lets not mistake his evil for the fascistic menace.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      I mean. He literally just fucking tells Italians "I'd be a member of Mussolini's party if I were Italian" which I translate to "I am a fascist" so I have no qualms with calling him a fascist.

      • Shishnarfne [comrade/them]
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        But fascism has some characteristics - populism, mass rallies, leader worship, conspiracy thinking - that are very different from the British imperialism Churchill represented.

        • MagisterSinister [he/him,comrade/them]
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          That doesn't only hold true for British Imperialism. Churchill is closer to German nationalists like the DNVP, who fully aided Hitler's rise to power for revanchist and restaurative reasons, but looked down on the nazis because they saw them as uncouth, irrational plebs that they wrongly thought they could control.

          What Churchill represents is the proto-fascist old order of European monarchism. It is a possible prerequisite for fascism, a superstructural groundwork that enables it to resonate with the masses driven to the edge by their dehumanizing material conditions, in much the same way that US jingoism has been the superstructural groundwork for the alt-right. But as connected as the two are, they aren't identical. One is rather the predecessor of the other, and that's why the racist pig Churchill, that imperialist mass murderer, felt so closely related to fascist butchers like Hitler and Mussolini - after all, his was the world that produced these two.

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    um woow ok tankie lenin praised mussolini too didnt you know??? basically red fash