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  • Amorphous [any]
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    4 years ago

    Ben Franklin is, like, the only founding father I don't think was utterly irredeemable scum

    • purgegf [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      He was likely in a paedophile ring with Thomas Jefferson and Jefferson's 14 year old slave-turned-wife, Sally. (She refused to come back from France with her kids for a reason.)

    • _else [she/her,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      like, yes, line his slave owning rapist ass up against the wall with the rest, but have a hell of a conversation first. the kind of epic stylish dirtbag that reminds us why libs think they have value.

      • spectre [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I got curious cause I knew Franklin wasn't a plantation owner or anything, so I looked up his history. Apparently he had 7 slaves throughout his life, but later on he slowly transitioned to being an abolitionist. He was never on our guy John Brown's level, and was apparently kinda wishy-washy about full abolition, though he was the president of the Pennsylvania Abolitionist Society. Doesn't look like it was enough to save him from the wall, but he can be in the middle of the line instead of right up front I guess.

    • gonxkilluaotp [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Pretty sure he wrote multiple papers on why Germans were racially inferior to Anglo-Saxons and ruining the USA by immigrating over. Only in his latest years did he go "Oops, maybe they do work as hard as we do."