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There's no rational reason to be doomer because even if you're going to die later today, there's still time to have solidarity.
Also learn some relevant science about fungal farming or wastewater treatment or something
What is called "doomer" stuff, usually is the only realistic analysis out there. People just don't want to be faced with reality.
usually is the only realistic analysis out there
In the 60's literally all realistic analysis of the future was mass starvation in the 80's-90's or nuclear war before that. Data changes and things are never as static as they seem
WTF is doomer theory and doomer practice? Not sure that's even a real thing.
I remember when COVID first started getting bad back in April and the quote on quote "doomers" on the old Chapo sub tried to tell everyone "hey, this is going to be fucking bad. We don't have a healthcare system or safety nets to deal with this. America will be swimming in infections by the summer and the death toll will get bad." Those people got yelled down and called doomers, cause few people want to actually be faced with reality.
Even on here, the reaction is still to call people doomers and the solution is usually to post about how awesome China is and they're going to save the world (big LOL at that).
What I mean is this: what are you going to spend your time doing now that you know it's all hopeless and the world's ending?
Thinking China is going to single-handedly save the world from all its problems is unrealistic and fetishist.
Thinking China is going to counteract the downward direction of the imperialist west, however, is not.
stop reading collapse, i discovered it like 5 years ago and it destroyed months of my life
look at /r/aww until you see a cop dog being abused and then log off and go outside and help out at an animal shelter and then cuddle some puppies then meet a beautiful woman then get to know her more then go on a date then learn shes into bdsm then learn she has a huge strapon then get married and live happily ever after the end
this is like the lesbian equivalent of every post under the "Women of reddit, what has a gamer done to make you feel horny?" Askreddit questions
r/Collapse has some flawed logic:
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It largely assumes there will be no institutional or cooperative effort to prevent/reduce the breakdown of society.
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It largely assumes a global breakdown from a cataclysmic event, but throughout all the most devastating events in human history (black plague, countless wars, etc), even though societies can collapse, look how quickly most are rebuilt. World War II was less than 100 years ago but if you visit France, Germany, Great Britain, Japan, Russia-- countries completely decimated by war-- you'd never know it by looking at them. Vietnam went from a complete civil war to a western tourist destination in the span of 50 years. Collapse tends to happen in regional pockets and order is usually quickly restored by outside influence.
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Most of their post-collapse ideas are not much different than religious end-of-days scripture, just sans God. Kind of a constant cloud of doom and gloom that never becomes fulfilled. So they just keep latching on to the next impending disaster, each time the same Chicken Little prophecy that this is going to be the great event that starts it all, and then when it doesn't happen no one really acknowledges they were wrong and they just keep pushing the date back.
Humanity in general is usually two steps forward and one step back. Humans are also incredibly adaptable and creative problem solvers. Even faced with cataclysmic events that devastate the world's population, we tend to bounce back fairly quickly becuase we thrive in cooperative efforts and its a pretty impossible task to kill us all.
And societies have faced massive collapses before. Like the Bronze age collapse or the fall of the Roman empire were both catastrophic events that destroyed the lives of to what millions of people were the entire world, and what happened after?
The people who could got back up and rebuilt society. They moved on and built new societies from the ashes of the old and human history continued to where we are today
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By not going on r/collapse and by getting hugs from us instead.
I love that sub, or I used to. After Chapo was banned, it became infested with libs just yelling at people to vote for Biden and how he was going to magically make everything better (these people seemingly have disappeared now that their savior won). I've met some great Marxists on there who do a better analysis of materialism than anything I read on here. It's better than the edgelords who just clap their hands to anything China does and hope we all suffer just cause we are stuck in Amerikkkkkkkkkkkkkkka.
In the past few months however, it's become infested with ecofascists who make topics about "depopulation" and word everything about "over-growth" and "over-population" as to be what is going to cause the collapse of civilization. Some of them go full mask off about COVID being a blessing in disguise cause it's killing people. The most annoying posts on there are the ones about climate change that are framed around a personal responsibility as if it's all our own fault that the earth is being burned up.
That sub has a lot more realistic people who aren't denying how bad things are, but it's also got it's fair share of reactionaries.
Got a lot of genuine lefties too. It goes through ecofash waves, but those guys end up getting chased out. Can't speak for recently, I've more or less quit Reddit.
I think the important thing to keep in mind is that the average Redditor (aka an American guy in his 20s) is not necessarily some brilliant prophet who knows how things are gonna shake out. Look at me, an average Redditor (though not an American guy), I thought 2020 would mainly be an American-Iran conflict. Sure didn't get that one right, better luck in 2021.
In other words, stop reading r/collapse. At least read scientists/sociologists/historians' articles directly instead and skip all the Redditors theorising about them.
China, Vietnam, Cuba and DPRK all have COVID under control so? What it takes to handle a highly infectious pandemic is a government capable and willing to enforce a quarantine by force along with providing the necessary resources and precautions to make it happen like making sure people don't starve by establishing delivery services or get evicted because they are earning less.
Climate change is going to be about mitigation. Countries will have to invest in very large, expensive and time consuming(also labour consuming) infrastructure projects to prevent climate change damage. Again socialist countries can do this because they are not entirely bound by the whims of capitalism and the profit motive. There is no profit to be made here so most capitalist countries will not invest in climate change mitigation infrastructure until they are literally living through the disasters.
Is it sufficient?
Of course not if we hit 4 degrees C we all basicaly die. If we hit 2.5-3 very few parts of the world will be habitable no matter what geoengineering projects you can think of.
if we hit 4 degrees we wont all die, it's just all humanity will live n nightmarish blade runner cities with appalingly low quality of lif living off like fungus and bugs and vertical farmed veggies for centuries
What is great is that some projections go as high as 8 degrees Celsius! So...yay.
my dude if it happens it's gonna happen despite it.
I think Petrarch said it best:
"My fate is to live among varied and confusing storms. But for you perhaps, if as I hope and wish you will live long after me, there will follow a better age. This sleep of forgetfulness will not last for ever. When the darkness has been dispersed, our descendants can come again in the former pure radiance."
Adopt that attitude. We might have gotten fucked over and will live through an immeasurably shitty time period. You had medieval peasant ancestors that barely survived the plague. Try and keep that in mind and know that all men who live to see such times wish that they did not. But it was the will of fate that we are and thusly we must do our best with it
but I want GOOD TIMES, no more BAD TIMES cuz its alwaywss BAD TIEMS in my head
