I'm pretty sure someone tried to make a movie like this in 90s but it didn't get any attention and I think it kind of wussed out doing anything really hard-hitting. The idea is pretty simple: make a movie where the white and black racial roles in our society are reversed. Black culture dominates society. Whites live in fear of the cops. The economic deck is stacked against the white folks. Definitely hit on the systemic stuff hard. And in the movie, when the whites want to bring up these issues, the media as well as most black folks just don't believe them and dismiss their concerns. Because you know, in America it doesn't matter if you're black or white anyone can pull themselves up out of poverty if they really want it.
I admit, the concept is a bit lib. But I think the real value in a movie like this would be in observing white folks' reaction to it. Conservatives would no doubt fucking lose their shit over it. I mean really lose their shit. Might even get to witness some mask off anger. But even white libs... I think they would find ways to criticize it without wanting to appear like they agree with the conservatives. You know, stuff like "I think it's a good premise but the movie just goes a little over the top".
And I think you could make this movie on a shoestring budget. You really don't need any special effects, sets, props, etc. Within budget of a leftist project, I think. So someone who can make movies, go ahead and give it a go. There's no way in hell any Hollywood studio would even touch this idea.
If the MCU was good, Black Panther's villain would have "won" in the first BP movie and invaded and colonized America. Have a nice trilogy with it ending BP stepping down as king and Kill Monger liberating the workers of the world.
i remember in highschool i defended that poem because I thought it was obviously sarcasm. good times
I admit, the concept is a bit lib
It's not lib. Also it's been done before, it always fails because of white unpopularity
pisses off most mayos because it triggers them
pisses off brunch libs because it shows black people oppressing whites and that's against the narrativeI think the movie from the 90s that you're thinking of is White Man's Burden. My high school sociology teacher showed it to us in class.
If movies were made like that, it would be used in conservative propaganda to spark a widespread white supremacist movement. It would be the spark to ignite a massive white nationalist movement.
So we shouldn't make provocative movies that highlight systematic racism and injustice because... the chuds might get too angry about it?
Its more like the chuds might take it as a "whats currently happening to america" film. They'll look at the movie and instead of seeing the error of their ways or taking away anything meaningful, theyre going to use it as proof of the "white genocide" and look at it like its a vision of the future under the anarcho-antifa-marxist-bidenist regime rather than a social commentary
No, but because from a leftist materialist perspective it does not solve the problem. Only by changing the material conditions of the society can we defeat reactionary politics.
Precisely what I was trying to say, as the reaction I got to it was rather negative.
The OP's idea is straight up ID-POL shit and would spark a massive backlash from conservatives. The far right are a lot more skilled at propaganda than we are. Making movies like this with the racism reversed and everything, it would create a backlash. The conservatives would be yelling "this is the ideal society that BLM wants" and sadly, it would work. Cause they are a lot better at conveying their messages to their followers than the left is.
But you're right. It solves nothing. It just creates more infighting.
a less-abstract version of the anxiety that Planet of The Apes (1968) was teasing at
Oh interesting I haven't thought of that movie in that light before.
Could they do anything interesting with this idea though? I feel like it would just be the same as our society except with the skin colors switched.
I feel like they did this a couple years ago and people didn't like it. But it might've been from a right-wing perspective? Idk how that would've worked, but I have a vague memory of a trailer where some little white girl gets bullied for being white. I'll try to find it.
edit: can't find it, maybe it didn't exist.
They made a movie kinda like this, or a show or something, where it was American slavery but with black people instead of white people as the slavemasters, the whites as slaves. I saw it criticized a lot by black people, the argument being something like that it implied that slavery was inevitable, just do the quirks of history, white people were the slavemasters. Like, I can kinda imagine some racist white person watching that and going "see! The blacks would've done what we did if they were in our position!" Something like that idk. Kinda makes sense to me
Genuinely asking this is good faith, is it not the historical materialist position that slavery was more or less inevitable? I agree that as media such a story could be perceived as just assuaging white guilt, but as a concept surely any capitalist society in a position to do settler colonialism on the Americas in that time period would have taken most of the same actions?
Edit: On second thought I will backtrack this a bit; a version of history in which the Americas are colonized by African settler colonizers would be massively different from our own, to the point that you can't really say one way or the other what would happen without way more information.
I was thinking the same thing! My take would be that, yes, according to a materialist understanding of history, if merely the skin color was changed but let's say that black people were in europe and white people in africa or something (because I agree with your edit), then yes, slavery was more or less inevitable....however, since most Americans don't have a materialist understanding of history, they would interpret in an idealist way, leading to the problem I originally stated
That's the novel and TV series Noughts + Crosses. Africa colonizes Europe and there's a bunch of apartheid. It's not exactly what you're asking for, but seems close.
It's very easy to become problematic with that premise or simply not hit hard enough, but I would eagerly welcome a rise in a 'black savior' trope
this idea kind of sucks. its an alright concept i guess but any movie where the plot is "racism, but X" just feels like some ham-handed Detroit Become Human shit
