UKRAINE IS BEING INVADED BY A SAVAGE FORCE THAT DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR RIGHTOUS INDIGNATION AND WHO WILL GLADLY R*PE FOR FUN.
This is mostly nonsense. The war crimes occuring from the Russian side also occur in abundance from the Ukrainian side.
Where are your criticisms of the 8 years prior when it was Ukraine doing exactly what you're describing for realsies in Donbass via volunteer nazi militias?
Sex work should be fully legal (i.e not having to rely on the grey area of the law) and even respected so that sex workers can get the legal protections they need to stave off human trafficking, abuse, so that they can rely on police and get the support they need to transition our of the sex industry, as age does play a role.
There's a difference between making something legal and encouraging it, the end goal should be abolishment of the conditions that result in participation in it entirely, acting like it is a virtue to be in is absolutely absurd and I say this as a person that worked in it.
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lmao this makes it abundantly clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Sex workers quite frankly want the police as far away from them as possible, they are significantly worse than the johns. The police are the biggest r*pe gang in the country.
Yeah I don't know. I think the basic foundation of it is racism in that they're talking about them as asiatic barbarian hordes. That they're ontologically disposed to behaving this way.
This is of course, nonsense. But getting that through to a liberal who has so willingly filled their brain with this shit is nigh impossible.
I keep screeching to the heavens that whiteness is a social construct that people are admitted to and removed from on the basis of geopolitical convenience to the imperial core. I keep posting that insane quote from Ben Franklin where he basically says Germans aren't white. But nobody listens to me!
My god there's a lot of anti-sexwork sentiment in here. I smell the riggedy raggy stench of TERF's and carceral feminists, i.e fucking liberals.
it's not sincere sex-work if it's done in a coercive, power-asymmetrical situation during wartime through an external imperialist opportunist force taking advantage of Russia's invasion to cannibalize the ukrainian economy through privatization, deregulation, austerity, and so forth.
UKRAINE IS BEING INVADED BY A SAVAGE FORCE THAT DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR RIGHTOUS INDIGNATION AND WHO WILL GLADLY **** FOR FUN.
We content warning mentions of SA on this instance. Also it's a bit messed up to employ this colonialist rhetoric such as "savage," by which, it would seem, you mean to imply that Russians are these inherently backwards, barbaric, uncivilized people. This is not only idealist, and anti-materialist, but fundamentally ahistorical, and tone deaf. Both Ukraine and Russia are at war with each other due to the destruction of the USSR by capitalists gradually infiltrating and corrupting the CPSU from within, opening both countries up to cannabilization by the imperial core. Russia and Ukraine as they exist today are a result of how imperialism deliberately divides the world, destroys societies, and consumes their remains for quick injections of surplus value, to stave off falling rates of profit in the imperial core. Corrupt leaders like Yeltsin and Putin in Russia, Poroshenko and Zelensky in Ukraine, would never have been able to come to power in the first place, if it weren't for imperialism and capitalism destroying the proletarian vanguard state.
If you haven't donated to the Ukraine defence effort then stfu.
Why would I donate through capitalist organizations opportunistically looking to further cannibalize the Ukrainian economy for cheap labor during war? Why would you assume working class people even have money to performatively donate to organizations run by billionaires who aren't donating anything?
This is a tangent, but prostitution and the like are already generally in a wild power imbalance even besides the legal issues because the John is using money to be entitled to sex.
I considered saying that, but I wanted to start from their standpoint when addressing their post rather than taking a harder line. That was probably an unprincipled departure from the deeper underlying issue on my part, but I wanted to speak their language and address specifically the topic at hand. Thank you for adding that.
Sex work is spawned out of desperation and lack of dignified opportunities that are reasonable to pursue.
It's not unrealistic to "Believing you can just get rid of the oldest profession in the world" because we've already had massive progress doing this in places like China.
Women would rather pursue careers in the STEM field and have dignified careers engaging in national development while also being homeowners and having disposable income that builds.
We can get rid of sex work by eliminating the conditions of poverty driven by capitalism, which, like small time crime, demand will fall in proportion to rising living standards.
Sex work is spawned out of desperation and lack of dignified opportunities that are reasonable to pursue.
It's not unrealistic to "Believing you can just get rid of the oldest profession in the world" because we've already had massive progress doing this in places like China.
Women would rather pursue careers in the STEM field and have dignified careers engaging in national development while also being homeowners and having disposable income that builds.
We can get rid of sex work by eliminating the conditions of poverty driven by capitalism, which, like small time crime, demand will fall in proportion to rising living standards.
Get real here.
You're arguing with terminal-stage "let people enjoy things" consumerist/coomer brain. I agree with what you said wholeheartedly but I highly doubt the consumerist/coomer will reconsider because that means less sex treats.
Women would rather pursue careers in the STEM field and have dignified careers engaging in national development while also being homeowners and having disposable income that builds.
We can get rid of sex work by eliminating the conditions of poverty driven by capitalism, which, like small time crime, demand will fall in proportion to rising living standards.
It's entirely possible some people will prefer sex work even when they have other options. The important part is that right now, most women in the sex trade do not have a choice, or it is a coerced choice. Although prostitution doesn't fit into my personal morals, I think we need to focus on trying to end the abuse in the sex industry more than than anything else.
You cannot purchase consent. This form of "sex work" will be fundamentally abusive until the conditions for its existence are abolished. There's a word for "sex work" done consensually. That word is sex.
I am not comfortable trying to explain to you why it is impossible to purchase enthusiastic consent. The fact that you need to ask the question makes me uncomfortable interacting with you. Do not reply to me.
Also, after three days of arguing about this, it now occurs to me that the context of this thread is that of a spike in human trafficking as a result of the war in Ukraine; and that this is probably a bad line of arguments to be making in that context.
Sex work is spawned out of desperation and lack of dignified opportunities that are reasonable to pursue.
It's not unrealistic to "Believing you can just get rid of the oldest profession in the world" because we've already had massive progress doing this in places like China.
Women would rather pursue careers in the STEM field and have dignified careers engaging in national development while also being homeowners and having disposable income that builds.
We can get rid of sex work by eliminating the conditions of poverty driven by capitalism, which, like small time crime, demand will fall in proportion to rising living standards.
Get real here.
You're arguing with terminal-stage "let people enjoy things" consumerist/coomer brain. I agree with what you said wholeheartedly but I highly doubt the consumerist/coomer will reconsider because that means less sex treats.
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This is mostly nonsense. The war crimes occuring from the Russian side also occur in abundance from the Ukrainian side.
Where are your criticisms of the 8 years prior when it was Ukraine doing exactly what you're describing for realsies in Donbass via volunteer nazi militias?
There's a difference between making something legal and encouraging it, the end goal should be abolishment of the conditions that result in participation in it entirely, acting like it is a virtue to be in is absolutely absurd and I say this as a person that worked in it.
lmao this makes it abundantly clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Sex workers quite frankly want the police as far away from them as possible, they are significantly worse than the johns. The police are the biggest r*pe gang in the country.
Please censor that SA word with haste, otherwise your comment might be removed. Seen it happen here twice now.
Edit: Thank you for taking steps.
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Yeah I don't know. I think the basic foundation of it is racism in that they're talking about them as asiatic barbarian hordes. That they're ontologically disposed to behaving this way.
This is of course, nonsense. But getting that through to a liberal who has so willingly filled their brain with this shit is nigh impossible.
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same shit they've said about every war since ww1. It's the same lie everytime
Please do not refer to Russians as 'savages.'
They got kicked out of the white people club
Chinese here, can confirm that the Russians have been squatting with us trying to find the optimal mix of vodka and baijiu.
I keep screeching to the heavens that whiteness is a social construct that people are admitted to and removed from on the basis of geopolitical convenience to the imperial core. I keep posting that insane quote from Ben Franklin where he basically says Germans aren't white. But nobody listens to me!
People underestimate the impact Nazi Germany had on cultural perspectives. Slavs aren't really seen as white by the West.
it's not sincere sex-work if it's done in a coercive, power-asymmetrical situation during wartime through an external imperialist opportunist force taking advantage of Russia's invasion to cannibalize the ukrainian economy through privatization, deregulation, austerity, and so forth.
We content warning mentions of SA on this instance. Also it's a bit messed up to employ this colonialist rhetoric such as "savage," by which, it would seem, you mean to imply that Russians are these inherently backwards, barbaric, uncivilized people. This is not only idealist, and anti-materialist, but fundamentally ahistorical, and tone deaf. Both Ukraine and Russia are at war with each other due to the destruction of the USSR by capitalists gradually infiltrating and corrupting the CPSU from within, opening both countries up to cannabilization by the imperial core. Russia and Ukraine as they exist today are a result of how imperialism deliberately divides the world, destroys societies, and consumes their remains for quick injections of surplus value, to stave off falling rates of profit in the imperial core. Corrupt leaders like Yeltsin and Putin in Russia, Poroshenko and Zelensky in Ukraine, would never have been able to come to power in the first place, if it weren't for imperialism and capitalism destroying the proletarian vanguard state.
Why would I donate through capitalist organizations opportunistically looking to further cannibalize the Ukrainian economy for cheap labor during war? Why would you assume working class people even have money to performatively donate to organizations run by billionaires who aren't donating anything?
This is a tangent, but prostitution and the like are already generally in a wild power imbalance even besides the legal issues because the John is using money to be entitled to sex.
I considered saying that, but I wanted to start from their standpoint when addressing their post rather than taking a harder line. That was probably an unprincipled departure from the deeper underlying issue on my part, but I wanted to speak their language and address specifically the topic at hand. Thank you for adding that.
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it's all coerced, agreed
It isn't only colonialist, but literally Nazi language and propaganda.
Yes
Sex work is spawned out of desperation and lack of dignified opportunities that are reasonable to pursue.
It's not unrealistic to "Believing you can just get rid of the oldest profession in the world" because we've already had massive progress doing this in places like China.
Women would rather pursue careers in the STEM field and have dignified careers engaging in national development while also being homeowners and having disposable income that builds.
We can get rid of sex work by eliminating the conditions of poverty driven by capitalism, which, like small time crime, demand will fall in proportion to rising living standards.
Get real here.
You're arguing with terminal-stage "let people enjoy things" consumerist/coomer brain. I agree with what you said wholeheartedly but I highly doubt the consumerist/coomer will reconsider because that means less sex treats.
Yup, but I always post with lurkers in mind. Can't forget the invisible audience.
I couldn't care less what the person with a bad take does with the information, so long as I can move the pieces on the chessboard just right.
It also makes for good practice expressing myself.
It's entirely possible some people will prefer sex work even when they have other options. The important part is that right now, most women in the sex trade do not have a choice, or it is a coerced choice. Although prostitution doesn't fit into my personal morals, I think we need to focus on trying to end the abuse in the sex industry more than than anything else.
You cannot purchase consent. This form of "sex work" will be fundamentally abusive until the conditions for its existence are abolished. There's a word for "sex work" done consensually. That word is sex.
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I am not comfortable trying to explain to you why it is impossible to purchase enthusiastic consent. The fact that you need to ask the question makes me uncomfortable interacting with you. Do not reply to me.
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Which is arguably in itself, too. Often enough, especially in capitalism. I.e. change in sexual attitudes between the reunified Germany and the GDR.
Other than social ramifications and the potential for pregnancy, what distinguishes sex work from any other kind of work?
If all work under capitalism is coerced due to the threat of poverty, then sex work under capitalism is coerced. What do we call sex that is coerced?
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that's called sex, because it's no longer transactional
it is
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i already said it's acceptable if the element of coercion is removed
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better late than never
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You're arguing with terminal-stage "let people enjoy things" consumerist/coomer brain. I agree with what you said wholeheartedly but I highly doubt the consumerist/coomer will reconsider because that means less sex treats.
Supporting sex workers by sheltering random Ukrainian refugees in exchange for sex
Cumming to exploited girls to own the savage
orcsforceA coomer pseudo-leftist on my hexbear?
Defed the site, mods. Get these feds outta' here.
It wouldn't be a leftist group without feds though. Checkmate, hexbears
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Basically all sex work is r*pe