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      • Ketamine_device_tech [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        500,000 (!!!) die from fucking tobacco diseases

        *workplace stimulant drugs

        People valorize the shitty planning! It’s seen as a virtue!

        Actually God created the demon Mammom so it's actually good

        • star_wraith [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Right people talk about how folks in the restaurant industry disporportionately smoke and just think it's a quirk of the industry and not how the working class in that line of work deals with all the bullshit that they shouldn't have to all while making horribly low wages.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        30,000 die every year from fucking cars slamming into each other and other shit. 500,000 (!!!) die from fucking tobacco diseases. every damn year.

        At least with these deaths one can make some plausible argument in the form of "well there's a balance to be struck between safety and convenience, or safety and the desire to use intoxicants." Any sort of similar argument with covid falls flat when you look at how much better other countries have contained it.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Yeah, the cars argument isn't good, just plausible. At least cars have some benefit, and while a major overhaul of urban transportation would be far safer, such an overhaul would have real costs.

            With covid, there are about a hundred ways to imagine a response that would save way more lives and be far less costly.

      • anthm17 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It’s been going on a long time. 30,000 die every year from fucking cars slamming into each other

        Lousy comparison.

        • sonartaxlaw [undecided,he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Civil engineer here: automobile deaths are an avoidable consequence of urbanism. We do have the power to design cities and roads and cars so people do not die as a consequence of transportation, last year in Stockholm not a single driver killed anyone. Zero people died due to automobile crashes in a city of 1.6 million. The reason that tragic violence exists, like the reason covid deaths occur is because of the systemic rejection of materialism in the engineering profession.

          • anthm17 [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            because traveling from place to place at high speed has actual utility and that's why we tolerate car crashes.

              • anthm17 [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                It also makes you sound like a chud downplaying COVID.

                in collective means of transit like light rail and trains

                yes. yes you can.

                  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    nobody gives a fuck about seriously changing

                    There have been massive improvements in vehicle safety since (as a point of reference) Ralph Nader published "unsafe at any speed." Over the same period we've seen a lot of policies put in place to combat drunk driving specifically.

                    Cars are bad for all sorts of reasons, and we do rationalize away tons of deaths in all sorts of situations, but overstating the problem does us no favors.