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  • anthm17 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    It’s been going on a long time. 30,000 die every year from fucking cars slamming into each other

    Lousy comparison.

    • sonartaxlaw [undecided,he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Civil engineer here: automobile deaths are an avoidable consequence of urbanism. We do have the power to design cities and roads and cars so people do not die as a consequence of transportation, last year in Stockholm not a single driver killed anyone. Zero people died due to automobile crashes in a city of 1.6 million. The reason that tragic violence exists, like the reason covid deaths occur is because of the systemic rejection of materialism in the engineering profession.

      • anthm17 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        because traveling from place to place at high speed has actual utility and that's why we tolerate car crashes.

          • anthm17 [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            It also makes you sound like a chud downplaying COVID.

            in collective means of transit like light rail and trains

            yes. yes you can.

              • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                nobody gives a fuck about seriously changing

                There have been massive improvements in vehicle safety since (as a point of reference) Ralph Nader published "unsafe at any speed." Over the same period we've seen a lot of policies put in place to combat drunk driving specifically.

                Cars are bad for all sorts of reasons, and we do rationalize away tons of deaths in all sorts of situations, but overstating the problem does us no favors.

                  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    Think of someone who's familiar with MADD, the history of car safety litigation, safety-related recalls, etc. If you tell them "no one gives a fuck about seriously changing this problem," that's not going to land with them. Cars are way safer now than they were in 1970, even if there's a strong argument that we still accept too many vehicle-caused deaths.

                    In general, "here's what's already been tried and why it doesn't go nearly far enough" is better than "no one even cares about this problem."

                      • CantTrip [she/her]
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                        4 years ago

                        No totally, you're point is very clear and well- taken and the person you're replying to must have had a recent bad convo with some chud using vehicular death as a minimization or something.

                        Just because someone "could" use vehicular death as a minimization of other things doesn't mean that's what you're doing, and I think the users here aren't so disingenuous that you can't even raise your point.

                        Tons of violent road deaths, tons of trauma and broken families, and an unwillingness to examine it because greatly improving it would cost money.