I'm starting to think Americans never actually gave a fuck about people dying in 9/11, and they only got worked up over it because it was an attack on "American greatness" or something. They were angry at the symbolism, not the death.
I used to think us Americans were selfish assholes because our military would slaughter millions overseas and we couldn't care less. But now I'm seeing how little fellow Americans care about a 9/11 every day among fellow Americans. So we're still monstrous, selfish assholes... but at least we're a bit more consistent about it.
Also everyone saw it, it was broadcasted on TV.
covid deaths are just numbers so they're not real, basically
also, you know, the government wanted the people to feel enraged and emotional about 9/11, while they don't want people to care about covid deaths
Correct! 9/11 was a big deal because we "let" a bunch of "savages" come to our house (New York City, a place 99% of Americans despise) and attack us. The human toll means nothing.
I don't think a lot of Leftists quite understand how little value human life has to the average person, objectively, not based on what they say to sound "acceptable"
People were mad because 9/11 is the sort of thing that happens in places that you can't pronounce and have never heard of, not the Capital of the Universe.
Covid is similar. Plagues happen in weird dirty countries, not here. Why should good, decent Americans not be allowed to go shopping and grab a bite at that fun sit down place next to the mall, with the good sandwiches? Mass death can't happen here, people just need to shape up (/s)!
Yeah it's like Americans operate under this notion of a just world fallacy maybe more than anyone else (largely because we are so much better off materially than much of the world so we get to feel like we're the good people), and we don't like it when that get shattered. Everyone gets what they deserve so bad things can't happen to us because we are the good people.
500,000 (!!!) die from fucking tobacco diseases
*workplace stimulant drugs
People valorize the shitty planning! It’s seen as a virtue!
Actually God created the demon Mammom so it's actually good
Right people talk about how folks in the restaurant industry disporportionately smoke and just think it's a quirk of the industry and not how the working class in that line of work deals with all the bullshit that they shouldn't have to all while making horribly low wages.
30,000 die every year from fucking cars slamming into each other and other shit. 500,000 (!!!) die from fucking tobacco diseases. every damn year.
At least with these deaths one can make some plausible argument in the form of "well there's a balance to be struck between safety and convenience, or safety and the desire to use intoxicants." Any sort of similar argument with covid falls flat when you look at how much better other countries have contained it.
Yeah, the cars argument isn't good, just plausible. At least cars have some benefit, and while a major overhaul of urban transportation would be far safer, such an overhaul would have real costs.
With covid, there are about a hundred ways to imagine a response that would save way more lives and be far less costly.
It’s been going on a long time. 30,000 die every year from fucking cars slamming into each other
Lousy comparison.
Civil engineer here: automobile deaths are an avoidable consequence of urbanism. We do have the power to design cities and roads and cars so people do not die as a consequence of transportation, last year in Stockholm not a single driver killed anyone. Zero people died due to automobile crashes in a city of 1.6 million. The reason that tragic violence exists, like the reason covid deaths occur is because of the systemic rejection of materialism in the engineering profession.
last year in Stockholm not a single driver killed anyone. Zero people died due to automobile crashes in a city of 1.6 million.
This is genuinely fascinating -- what are they doing that we aren't?
because traveling from place to place at high speed has actual utility and that's why we tolerate car crashes.
It also makes you sound like a chud downplaying COVID.
in collective means of transit like light rail and trains
yes. yes you can.
nobody gives a fuck about seriously changing
There have been massive improvements in vehicle safety since (as a point of reference) Ralph Nader published "unsafe at any speed." Over the same period we've seen a lot of policies put in place to combat drunk driving specifically.
Cars are bad for all sorts of reasons, and we do rationalize away tons of deaths in all sorts of situations, but overstating the problem does us no favors.
Think of someone who's familiar with MADD, the history of car safety litigation, safety-related recalls, etc. If you tell them "no one gives a fuck about seriously changing this problem," that's not going to land with them. Cars are way safer now than they were in 1970, even if there's a strong argument that we still accept too many vehicle-caused deaths.
In general, "here's what's already been tried and why it doesn't go nearly far enough" is better than "no one even cares about this problem."
No totally, you're point is very clear and well- taken and the person you're replying to must have had a recent bad convo with some chud using vehicular death as a minimization or something.
Just because someone "could" use vehicular death as a minimization of other things doesn't mean that's what you're doing, and I think the users here aren't so disingenuous that you can't even raise your point.
Tons of violent road deaths, tons of trauma and broken families, and an unwillingness to examine it because greatly improving it would cost money.
Total Fail State.
The amount of smug yanks over Chernobyl which had checks wikipedia just over 100 direct deaths
There will be huge consequences for this. Everyday this amount of death will unravel the remaining fabric of US society. This is collapse territory
Imagine living in a country run by detached incompetent bureaucrats, who eventually acknowledge a serious problem and then mobilize scientists, engineers, and workers to solve it, and they successfully avoid the worst outcomes.
No extra pay for working during the pandemic, school still costs the fucking same for even shittier service, working class people expected to support their towns small businesses from going under even tho no one is getting fucking paid, people dying without seeing their family members one last time, the virus is mostly killing poor people because they have no healthcare / have shit health care, the list goes fucking on. It is absolutely astonishing what Americans will tolerate from their government/fellow citizens
The college prices staying the same is interesting. That means there's no competition bringing down the prices, no free market bullshit to blame it on. It's set that way as a necessity to perpetuate classism.
It just confirms that the goal of it is to get you into the debt cycle. Has nothing to do with the service itself. The high price is needed to keep people under the boot heel and using their knowledge for anything remotely anti-capitalist.
Like we knew this, but it's hilariously in your face this year. I just like it when leftist thought is confirmed in real life.
it's like oprah is running a mass grave site
"YOU GET A 9/11"
"AND YOU GET A 9/11"
And everyone could stop Oprah from conducting her war crime if they would just shut down her Applebee's. But then they would stop getting their microwaved capitalist slop and that would make everyone more sad than having 400k+ Americans dying
Everyone saw this coming months in advance and the US government just let it happen. Literal death cult
Dont worry senate is pushing a bill that gives corporations free lunches that'll surely save us
The return of the 3 Martini lunch is exactly what struggling restaurants need!
the CPC has to be fucking vibing right now. Like imagine being a reactionary in China right now, a totally wet paper tiger: "wE sHOUld bE mOrE lIkE thE U.S" as America collapses in on itself. "No trust me, millions dead by next year is a GOOD thing".
Yeah no doubt there are issues with their economy and society; but from what I've read, they are planning on modernizing rural areas with new rails and investment into those zones, while American rural zones are falling into further disrepair, economic stagnation, drug addiction, and violence. I have read about those towns/cities, and clearly it feels like they put the cart before the horse by creating a bunch of urban space with no fundamental reason for existing.
Edit: @Beatnik can you pass on to the dev team a huge THANK YOU for fixing the context/link to responses in notifications. This is fantastic.
