damn i bet they have some cool history books over there that're not translated into english. i want to hear hot chinese takes on the soviet union, stalin, brezhnev etc.
damn i bet they have some cool history books over there that're not translated into english. i want to hear hot chinese takes on the soviet union, stalin, brezhnev etc.
Yeah, it's the thing I hate most about this site for sure. Gotta just ignore all the cringe. They seem to swarm their own posts though--on a thread about a non-China topic, you wouldn't be getting as many downvotes. It takes a special kind of "became a ML through youtube videos" energy to honestly think China in 2020 is "actually existing socialism" that needs to be coddled on chapo.chat. The type of person who enthusiastically defends the economic system that created Foxconn and Jack Ma is not really worth thinking too much about, but my diagnosis would be that they really need to have a hero to root for (natural since many people view geopolitics as a sport) and can't quite wrap their mind around the fact that we are as close to socialism as a peasant in the Great Peasant War was to capitalism [insert Brace rant].
Downvotes below please, thank you!
Yeah like uh, I know china aint the new third reich like some conservatives say but like, it aint all that perfect or good and acting like it is just reminds me of catholic high school kids becoming virulent fedora atheists because they discovered The Amazing Atheist videos on youtube
You and I don't get it. I'm told we're being idealists. If we understood the immortal science of Marxism -Leninism, we would be able to view things from a materialist perspective, and we would understand that socialist states are not judged by their economic systems as they currently are, or the actions that their leadership have taken to date, but instead by the intentions Youtube Marxists and state television ascribe to the country's leaders. Unless we have access to Xi Jinping's diary, we'll never be able to argue that China is anything less than Actually Existing Socialism.
I got an insanely spicy take to counter that assertation:
You can do bad shit in service of a "greater goal". Doesn't make the bad shit not bad
FFS the guys who nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki and firebombed cities all over the world thought they were doing it for a "greater good". You can do some pretty fucking heinous shit so things will be nice tomorrow
See, the tragedy of this website, is that because I agree with you and have expressed similar opinions before, I can verbatim predict how the Foxconn brigade would respond. (Something like "you're a western chauvinist projecting western imperialism onto China, they would never nuke anyone ever, I know because they said so on the floor of the UN and no one has ever lied there. Here are 500 tweets by Max Bluementhal to prove my point.")
Sigh. Maybe I need to avoid these threads until the average Chapo user is less terminally online, but I'm hesitant to do so because I feel like letting China simps clog up the homepage with CGTV clips without any debate is how sites like this end up being dead end forums with like five Red Guard posters and five FBI agents.
outside of main it's pretty good. Just wait it out most of em are acting up because they feel people are unfair to China so they take up a contrarian position where China is actually perfect. It's like when people discover that like, America didn't solo WWII so they then think that it was entirely the soviets that did literally everything. Second opinion bias stuff