So, just read about something interesting, thought I'd write a little thread about it...Do you guys happen to remember when the CDC shut down Fort Detrick in August 2019? Funny thing about that...https://t.co/pCyMnGdhl8 pic.twitter.com/Bp7B6Nq2T7— a lucid lunatic (@aLucidLunatic) April 1, 2020
But seriously now that we've learned that COVID may have originated outside China this thread keeps coming back to me.
Novel pathogens emerge all the time, and they're only going to get worse because of factory farming and ecological devastation.
When you cut down forests and replace them with monocultures of animals (most animals for food on factory farms are incredibly genetically similar) you remove the number of steps that it takes for a disease to get from say a wild rainforest bat to human beings. Genetically similar farm animals are also more likely to all be susceptible to the same new diseases.
Lots of identical animals right next to unexplored regions, then exported all over the world at rapid speeds is basically a ticking time bomb.
The conspiracy is how the Corporate media tricked every good Leftist into rabidly supporting lockdowns. If you pointed out back in March/April that a lockdown would do nothing for workers and would be an absolute hand out to the bourgeoisie state to make everyone's life permanently more miserable, similar to 9/11, you got called a CHUD who demands being served or who thinks his right to get a burger is more important than a waitress's life.
A novel disease is like the perfect "left wing 9/11" because it hits our backwalls and G-spot just like a terrorist attack by foreigners hits all the Right's spots.
All of this shit was entirely predictable. We already watched it happen once before. The difference is this time, it was the Left being morons and servants of the state instead of Islamophobes and war mongers.
No, it's just been a constant source of frustration to me that people who absolutely fucking know better still fell for the hysteria back in March/April. Until about 3-4 weeks ago, even suggesting that a lockdown would have negative effects (or that it would be a domestic shock doctrine, which it was!) got you labelled as a "Chud" who wants to storm a state capitol for the right to cough on a retail worker or waiter.
Still waiting to hear your vastly superior alternative rather than just screeds about how "Leftists" were wrong for supporting the obvious solution of paying people to stay home (obviously, we did not get this).
What do you think "pay people to stay home" looks like?
We did "pay people to stay home". That's what the CARES act was! Every European country/Canada only paid people who lost their jobs, and they gave less money than $600 USD a week in most cases! Individual states fucked up the execution, the program was there.
We wasted our lockdown because we didn't build infrastructure, we just thought it would go away if we were good boys and girls. And then we histrionically blamed everyone else for misbehaving when doing nothing didn't work.
The solution is mass testing, prepping quarantine not at home (most NYC cases were people who stayed home). A lockdown/shutdown is a last resort to buy time. We had weeks in February to prep our infrastructure, and we did jack shit.
No, they weren't. Back in March everyone on the Left thought that a lockdown was a great idea because naturally it would convince people that we need UBI and Medicare for All.
If you pointed out that that was bullshit, and that the actual stated plans of our government was just domestic shock doctrine, you got called a Chud who wants to kill grandma for burgers. No one ever floated programs like universal relief or M4A outside of people who already wanted those things.
That's what makes me so pissed off. The situation we're in now was completely predictable, and you asked for it!!!
Everyone. You got called a "bugchaser" if you at all pointed out that lockdown would be like post-9/11 restrictions and would be used as an excuse to hand over control to Big Tech. Everyone thought that this was The Big One, and that the greedy Capitalists would be so spooked that they would simply have to do what we wanted, so no one bothered to actually look at what was effective (like masks, isolated quarantines, mass testing). They just said, yep, shut it down and pay me! It's like a mandatory strike! We won! Everyone will see the light!
We did “pay people to stay home”. That’s what the CARES act was!
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CARES Act gave (some, not all) people $1200 once, and had a $600 increase for unemployment. No additional pay for people that still had to work, no federal lockdown, no one was paid to stay home. The CARES act was almost entirely corporate bailouts. Actual people got a pittance if they got anything at all. I didn't get a cent from it because I never got a check and since I worked at a hospital I didn't get unemployment either.
Shit you got downvoted to fuck but i think you are right. As climate change advances and theres's mass migration of animals and vectors and shit intermixing the development of novel disease is gonna increase significantly. And the chances that some of these new diseases reach a human population are gonna increase due to their migration and increased chances of being generated. And as more and more money is needed to counter climate effects and costs, less and less money will be available to prevent and treat novel diseases. And as more and more people are left to live in squalor due climate catastrophe, more and more chances they will catch novel diseases. It's a long list of etc and self reinforcing feedback loops.
Novel pathogens emerge all the time, and they're only going to get worse because of factory farming and ecological devastation.
When you cut down forests and replace them with monocultures of animals (most animals for food on factory farms are incredibly genetically similar) you remove the number of steps that it takes for a disease to get from say a wild rainforest bat to human beings. Genetically similar farm animals are also more likely to all be susceptible to the same new diseases.
Lots of identical animals right next to unexplored regions, then exported all over the world at rapid speeds is basically a ticking time bomb.
The conspiracy is how the Corporate media tricked every good Leftist into rabidly supporting lockdowns. If you pointed out back in March/April that a lockdown would do nothing for workers and would be an absolute hand out to the bourgeoisie state to make everyone's life permanently more miserable, similar to 9/11, you got called a CHUD who demands being served or who thinks his right to get a burger is more important than a waitress's life.
A novel disease is like the perfect "left wing 9/11" because it hits our backwalls and G-spot just like a terrorist attack by foreigners hits all the Right's spots.
All of this shit was entirely predictable. We already watched it happen once before. The difference is this time, it was the Left being morons and servants of the state instead of Islamophobes and war mongers.
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This looks like wrecker shit to me.
No, it's just been a constant source of frustration to me that people who absolutely fucking know better still fell for the hysteria back in March/April. Until about 3-4 weeks ago, even suggesting that a lockdown would have negative effects (or that it would be a domestic shock doctrine, which it was!) got you labelled as a "Chud" who wants to storm a state capitol for the right to cough on a retail worker or waiter.
Still waiting to hear your vastly superior alternative rather than just screeds about how "Leftists" were wrong for supporting the obvious solution of paying people to stay home (obviously, we did not get this).
What do you think "pay people to stay home" looks like?
We did "pay people to stay home". That's what the CARES act was! Every European country/Canada only paid people who lost their jobs, and they gave less money than $600 USD a week in most cases! Individual states fucked up the execution, the program was there.
We wasted our lockdown because we didn't build infrastructure, we just thought it would go away if we were good boys and girls. And then we histrionically blamed everyone else for misbehaving when doing nothing didn't work.
The solution is mass testing, prepping quarantine not at home (most NYC cases were people who stayed home). A lockdown/shutdown is a last resort to buy time. We had weeks in February to prep our infrastructure, and we did jack shit.
Ok, and every leftist I've heard was making these points and more.
Exactly what "Leftists" were you referring to here? I know of none that support the status quo or the lacking response.
No, they weren't. Back in March everyone on the Left thought that a lockdown was a great idea because naturally it would convince people that we need UBI and Medicare for All.
If you pointed out that that was bullshit, and that the actual stated plans of our government was just domestic shock doctrine, you got called a Chud who wants to kill grandma for burgers. No one ever floated programs like universal relief or M4A outside of people who already wanted those things.
That's what makes me so pissed off. The situation we're in now was completely predictable, and you asked for it!!!
When has everyone on "the Left" ever agreed on one thing? Lol
AKA leftists.
Once again, which "Leftists" are you accusing?
Everyone. You got called a "bugchaser" if you at all pointed out that lockdown would be like post-9/11 restrictions and would be used as an excuse to hand over control to Big Tech. Everyone thought that this was The Big One, and that the greedy Capitalists would be so spooked that they would simply have to do what we wanted, so no one bothered to actually look at what was effective (like masks, isolated quarantines, mass testing). They just said, yep, shut it down and pay me! It's like a mandatory strike! We won! Everyone will see the light!
You fucked around, and you found out.
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CARES Act gave (some, not all) people $1200 once, and had a $600 increase for unemployment. No additional pay for people that still had to work, no federal lockdown, no one was paid to stay home. The CARES act was almost entirely corporate bailouts. Actual people got a pittance if they got anything at all. I didn't get a cent from it because I never got a check and since I worked at a hospital I didn't get unemployment either.
Shit you got downvoted to fuck but i think you are right. As climate change advances and theres's mass migration of animals and vectors and shit intermixing the development of novel disease is gonna increase significantly. And the chances that some of these new diseases reach a human population are gonna increase due to their migration and increased chances of being generated. And as more and more money is needed to counter climate effects and costs, less and less money will be available to prevent and treat novel diseases. And as more and more people are left to live in squalor due climate catastrophe, more and more chances they will catch novel diseases. It's a long list of etc and self reinforcing feedback loops.
I got downvoted because of the last two paragraphs, but yes, you are absolutely correct.
The game was rigged from the start w/r/t Covid.