But seriously now that we've learned that COVID may have originated outside China this thread keeps coming back to me.
Technically yes, but they'd have to pull an existing virus that could already infect humans from Chinese bats, or infect the bats with something similar to cover their tracks. There's more evidence supporting a local animal > human jump then a released virus, and I doubt the US is fully competent enough to release a bioweapon that seems like a natural occurance to everyone
Lol. Fed accusation because I've actually bothered to explore this and understand that there's basically nothing to suggest covid is a bioweapon, and because I acknowledge it's damn near impossible to create a bioweapon and make it look like a completely natural occurance with a natural spread
Knowledge is fed shit. The more knowledgeable the more fed you are #ReturnMonkee
Oh I'm not taking this particular thread as truth, I just love a good conspiracy theory (especially if it isn't rooted in some crypto-fascist bullshit).
The genome has been sequenced by multiple labs around the world and no one has found evidence of inserted/manipulated DNA. And while they haven't nailed down all the details there's a good amount of science backing the bat > human theory for covid. That's enough for me tbh, bioweapons can be spotted easier than you think
Also if this was a US bioweapon you'd think China would have brought that up by now, no?
Hello, yes I am someone with Lyme disease; boy howdy I don't understand how you could make such baseless accusations against the unblemished honor of the U.S. government
We don't know, but at the same time, raising a bunch of bats and exposing them to coronaviruses until they produce something that can be used as a bioweapon/cause a pandemic would take a good amount of time/luck
When they say "bat-and-prisoner room" they're not talking about that kind of bat.
Abu Ghraib style.
edit: Ah you beat me to it.
Something I dove into (and couldn't find much on) is the possibility that you could identify that these methods were used when genome sequencing. Seems like it would be incredibly difficult but is it impossible to spot?
Also these seems more geared for adding on to an existing pathogen, yeah? Like covid-19 couldn't be made "from the ground up", there'd be some backbone they'd add to?
I swear remember reading a peer-reviewed study months ago about the unlikeliness of directed evolution for covid but I can't find it now. I'm not trying to assert that creating something in a lab is impossible, rather that the hurdles you'd have to clear to do it and make basically everyone think it's natural leads to an Occam's razor situation (for me at least)
I meant more from Chinese labs or from government entities accusing the US of it. They've been researching it for a year and as the target of blame I'd assume they'd publish evidence of either manipulation or US people deliberately spreading it or both
I've joked with friends that COVID-19 was a US weapon against China that backfired.
It wouldn't be shocked either way tbh. The US is fucked up like that
It would explain why there was a delay in response to the disease by Chinese authorities, so as to let it get big enough to pass straight back before handling it within their borders as they knew they could.
Extremely big America energy to just shoot yourself in the face, but honestly not sure how believable this is.
If you have the capability, the will, the hubris and the unshakeable belief in personal invincibility then why wouldn't you use any weapon, no matter how heinous, to bring down your enemies? Sure would have beaten an international blockade, outright invasion and nuclear war bang for buck if it worked out.
They aren't your or my enemies but for the haute bourgeoisie it might be a very different matter. Things like cartels and conspiracies exist and even if, for argument's sake, we were to assume that China is completely capitalist the American bourgeoise wouldn't want to get outcompeted and taken over in the long run, so from their perspective such extreme measures could be well warranted. Besides there's the little matter of the deep state (all the alphabet agencies included), which is a cartel of its own with its own hegemonic interests. Not saying that it's a certainty but the plausible motive is there.
US created lyme disease and spread that across the globe
It's fucking wild how far that disease has spread and zero consequences for the lunatics in fort detrick
US created lyme disease and spread that across the globe
I know you have some good info on this
All through the 50s-80s the US was experimenting on their own population. In Clouds of Secrecy: The Armys Germ Warfare Tests Over Populated Areas it goes through all the biological weapons they released on their own unsuspecting population. It is also interesting as a few army generals are brought into court and they reply with such contempt for the public and the direct deaths they caused ("we needed to test! The soviets the soviet the soviets!")
Book: Bitten, The Secret History of Lyme Disease and Biological Weapons http://www.harperwave.com/book/9780062896278/Bitten-Kris-Newby/
US senator brings an investigation in congress last year due to above book
investigate the “possible involvement of DOD biowarfare labs in the weaponization of Lyme disease in ticks and other insects” from 1950-1975.
https://chrissmith.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=405995
Back in 2005 an MSN report who's URL no longer works confirmed Lyme disease were potential bioterrorism weapons
The URL can be accessed on archive https://web.archive.org/web/20051125005400/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10039154/
Radio War Nerd episode with the author of Bitten
https://www.breaker.audio/war-nerd-radio-subscriber-feed-2/e/51502577
I too would like to learn more about how the military created a 60,000 year old pathogen. They did do research on using ticks to spread diseases/using Lyme as a weapon though
There has been no real (not fake) proof of Lymes disease existing before the 40s.
I feel like corona could've been an attempt to derail China during the trade war shit but it spread past the intended area and now we're here.
Or it's just one virus out of thousands that evolved in a way that makes very effective use of the way our contemporary society is configured.
I already knew this was true in my heart but now there's some corroboration, the CIA did covid to genocide China and get rid of Trump at the same time
Dead ass serious when you understand dialectics, you can read minds and see into the future. I'm levitating rn.
It’s the same with AIDS and Lyme Disease and most cancers. All part of the ring of death made by an organization much more threatening than the CIA
Novel pathogens emerge all the time, and they're only going to get worse because of factory farming and ecological devastation.
When you cut down forests and replace them with monocultures of animals (most animals for food on factory farms are incredibly genetically similar) you remove the number of steps that it takes for a disease to get from say a wild rainforest bat to human beings. Genetically similar farm animals are also more likely to all be susceptible to the same new diseases.
Lots of identical animals right next to unexplored regions, then exported all over the world at rapid speeds is basically a ticking time bomb.
The conspiracy is how the Corporate media tricked every good Leftist into rabidly supporting lockdowns. If you pointed out back in March/April that a lockdown would do nothing for workers and would be an absolute hand out to the bourgeoisie state to make everyone's life permanently more miserable, similar to 9/11, you got called a CHUD who demands being served or who thinks his right to get a burger is more important than a waitress's life.
A novel disease is like the perfect "left wing 9/11" because it hits our backwalls and G-spot just like a terrorist attack by foreigners hits all the Right's spots.
All of this shit was entirely predictable. We already watched it happen once before. The difference is this time, it was the Left being morons and servants of the state instead of Islamophobes and war mongers.
No, it's just been a constant source of frustration to me that people who absolutely fucking know better still fell for the hysteria back in March/April. Until about 3-4 weeks ago, even suggesting that a lockdown would have negative effects (or that it would be a domestic shock doctrine, which it was!) got you labelled as a "Chud" who wants to storm a state capitol for the right to cough on a retail worker or waiter.
Still waiting to hear your vastly superior alternative rather than just screeds about how "Leftists" were wrong for supporting the obvious solution of paying people to stay home (obviously, we did not get this).
What do you think "pay people to stay home" looks like?
We did "pay people to stay home". That's what the CARES act was! Every European country/Canada only paid people who lost their jobs, and they gave less money than $600 USD a week in most cases! Individual states fucked up the execution, the program was there.
We wasted our lockdown because we didn't build infrastructure, we just thought it would go away if we were good boys and girls. And then we histrionically blamed everyone else for misbehaving when doing nothing didn't work.
The solution is mass testing, prepping quarantine not at home (most NYC cases were people who stayed home). A lockdown/shutdown is a last resort to buy time. We had weeks in February to prep our infrastructure, and we did jack shit.
Every European country/Canada only paid people who lost their jobs
incorrect
Ok, and every leftist I've heard was making these points and more.
The conspiracy is how the Corporate media tricked every good Leftist into rabidly supporting lockdowns.
Exactly what "Leftists" were you referring to here? I know of none that support the status quo or the lacking response.
No, they weren't. Back in March everyone on the Left thought that a lockdown was a great idea because naturally it would convince people that we need UBI and Medicare for All.
If you pointed out that that was bullshit, and that the actual stated plans of our government was just domestic shock doctrine, you got called a Chud who wants to kill grandma for burgers. No one ever floated programs like universal relief or M4A outside of people who already wanted those things.
That's what makes me so pissed off. The situation we're in now was completely predictable, and you asked for it!!!
everyone on the Left thought that
When has everyone on "the Left" ever agreed on one thing? Lol
outside of people who already wanted those things.
AKA leftists.
Once again, which "Leftists" are you accusing?
Everyone. You got called a "bugchaser" if you at all pointed out that lockdown would be like post-9/11 restrictions and would be used as an excuse to hand over control to Big Tech. Everyone thought that this was The Big One, and that the greedy Capitalists would be so spooked that they would simply have to do what we wanted, so no one bothered to actually look at what was effective (like masks, isolated quarantines, mass testing). They just said, yep, shut it down and pay me! It's like a mandatory strike! We won! Everyone will see the light!
You fucked around, and you found out.
We did “pay people to stay home”. That’s what the CARES act was!
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CARES Act gave (some, not all) people $1200 once, and had a $600 increase for unemployment. No additional pay for people that still had to work, no federal lockdown, no one was paid to stay home. The CARES act was almost entirely corporate bailouts. Actual people got a pittance if they got anything at all. I didn't get a cent from it because I never got a check and since I worked at a hospital I didn't get unemployment either.
Shit you got downvoted to fuck but i think you are right. As climate change advances and theres's mass migration of animals and vectors and shit intermixing the development of novel disease is gonna increase significantly. And the chances that some of these new diseases reach a human population are gonna increase due to their migration and increased chances of being generated. And as more and more money is needed to counter climate effects and costs, less and less money will be available to prevent and treat novel diseases. And as more and more people are left to live in squalor due climate catastrophe, more and more chances they will catch novel diseases. It's a long list of etc and self reinforcing feedback loops.
I got downvoted because of the last two paragraphs, but yes, you are absolutely correct.
The game was rigged from the start w/r/t Covid.
