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  • Infamousblt [any]
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    4 years ago

    As a product manager myself I always piss off my lib friends by saying 5 year planned economies are literally just agile. So China is actually running their country like a business.

    This makes them so irrationally angry because I am 100% right. 5 year plans are just agile but for countries

      • anthm17 [he/him]
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        It's bad. It's pure evil. It's the worst thing in the world.

        China is worse than America, only because of this.

        it's just a way of managing projects that focuses on fast measurable progress and quick re-prioritizing. It's really common in software because the old way was to try and plan out things completely and then execute them a phase at a time, that just fails when you hit the first unknowns.

        In the context of a country the cycle of 5 year (about as short as you can really go and see impact) followed by assessment and re-prioritization is a lot like agile. Agile you would break down a project into units of work, prioritize those, and then reassess as you go to make sure you're doing the right thing and on track.

        edit: my bit did not land.

        That's okay.

        This sort of methodology is a very good way to plan a country.

        • PhaseFour [he/him]
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          China is worse than America.

          God, you just love embarrassing yourself in every China thread.

          • anthm17 [he/him]
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            it's the devil in project management form. Pure evil. Worse than capitalism.

            It's annoying.

            and don't kink shame.

          • anthm17 [he/him]
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            philosophy and methodology, but it's more about the philosophy of staying fast and adaptable.

              • anthm17 [he/him]
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                I was just doing a bit, it's fine it's just that some of the methodology and the way bosses choose to use it becomes overhead instead of being helpful

        • Infamousblt [any]
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          4 years ago

          You like did a really good job of describing agile and then completely ignored why doing small chunks of progress, measuring, and repeating is good for a country.

          Read some theory. There is nothing more materialist than making frequent check ins and course adjustments.

          • anthm17 [he/him]
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            it was really bad sarcasm actually, because I've done so much agile that sucked.

            It's actually an excellent strategy for a country. Sorry I thought that came across in the way I explained it.

            edit: even said I was just doing a bit.

              • anthm17 [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                I shouldn't have said it makes china worse, I should have said this will lead them only to capitalism.

                That would have been more obviously shitting on agile.

                oh well.

            • Infamousblt [any]
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              4 years ago

              Oh haha. Yeah nobody got that and thought you were just being a sinophoebe. Agile is a great way to run a country. And any project. It's why so many companies do it.

              • anthm17 [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Yeah the only problem is when companies do it badly and you get little of the benefit with loads of overhead.

                • Infamousblt [any]
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                  4 years ago

                  For sure. Agile done just to do it is bad. But used properly it's a great tool