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  • PhaseFour [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I misspoke there. It was that they need to "continue to push Democrats after the election." I did not mean to imply anything about the election cycle. I'll update my comment.

    The progressives will likely have the votes to prevent Pelosi from getting the speakership. It is insane that they are not making a public show of that leverage. The centrist Democrats do it every cycle.

    It is very concerning that they not making any use of that leverage. The progressive project would gain a lot of popularity by both undermining Pelosi - who is incredibly unpopular - and fighting for the most popular legislation in the country, which was also a campaign promise.

    People have been doing political work on the ground for years. AOC et al are only in office because of mass organizing to support them. Now, they have an opportunity to express political power, and there is no will. It really does give me Obama vibes.

    • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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      That's fair, but we should remember that the AOC wing of the party did get a pledge from Pelosi that she would step down in 2022. I get that it could be too little too late, but that's already more than the Obama wing of the party ever tried to do. And AOC's replies to Justin Jackson/Kyle Kulinski's twitter - that she's working on things such as getting a M4A opponent off the major committee or forcing votes on things the Democrats have promised or rolling back PAYGO. That doesn't give me an "Obama vibe" as much as a "it's the best we can do with only 5 or so comrades in Congress right now" vibe.

      • PhaseFour [he/him]
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        that she’s working on things such as getting a M4A opponent off the major committee or forcing votes on things the Democrats have promised or rolling back PAYGO

        Promising that progress is being made behind closed doors is the biggest thing I remember from the Obama admin.

        There is an obvious lever of political power that they are refusing to touch. Why would Pelosi concede anything?

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          Promising that progress is being made behind closed doors is the biggest thing I remember from the Obama admin.

          A vote that has no chance of producing M4A isn't very different from a promise that progress is being made behind closed doors.

      • Manaanwasgreat [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        That’s fair, but we should remember that the AOC wing of the party did get a pledge from Pelosi that she would step down in 2022.

        Nancy Pelosi is fucking 80. It's likely she'd be stepping down anyway.