On one hand chapos are very horny on main and very sex positive despite not having it, but on the other hand the volcel police send horny chapos off to horny jail and porn is exploitive.
On one hand chapos are very horny on main and very sex positive despite not having it, but on the other hand the volcel police send horny chapos off to horny jail and porn is exploitive.
The reality of porn is that wherever the is a porn industry, or sex industry in general, there will be an increase in rape, human trafficking and other forms of sexual exploitation. That's just how it works. Obviously these things will still exist in societies that ban production of pornography, but there is less of a commercialized incentive. The sex industry commodifies people's bodies, especially women's bodies, and when anything is commodified it will be fetishized in an unhealthy and damaging manner. Just look at that other thread and how many coomers were livid that they lost their porn videos. They are not videos of people having sexual encounters, they are commodities to be consumed and they were taken from them.
The concept of consent is also degraded. In any job, you technically consent to carry out your duties, but there is always the looming threat of loss of livelihood if you refuse to do so. Have you ever seen a porn video where one party kinda looked like they were miserable and just wanted it to be over? Well, they consented right, even if they were only doing it to pay their rent or medical bills or whatever else. The concept of consent cannot stay in tact in a Capitalist system where their bodies are commodities to be consumed. There is always a coercive aspect.
I think people on the left have a reaction to puritanical anti-sex values that come from living in christian-dominated societies that blinds them to the exploitive nature of stuff like porn and prostitution. The label SWERF is often dished out to people who bring these issues up, as if attacking an industry is attacking the workers in it. There is a difference to saying that the sex industry is bad and saying sex workers are bad people that should be criminalized for the exploitation they endure. I've never really seen people on the left attack sex workers themselves, though I know it was an issue in the old Marxist left like 100 years ago (Kollontai arguing that sex workers degrade solidarity etc). It wouldn't surprise me if some of the TERFy radfems did do this though.
Is criminalizing it going to reducing trafficking? Doesn't criminalizing make conditions worse?
Why not advocate unionizing/some other form of building worker control?
Do you trust a capitalist government to handle criminalizing sex work in a positive way?
Criminalizing the drug trade made people not get harmed by the drug trade I don’t know if you knew that.
Can you cite data on that?
Yes please see Highlights for Kids volume 27 issue 4
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I'm 90% sure they were being sarcastic.
No I am very serious please see my medium page where my 8,000 word treatise on this is hosted
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The short answer is you basically cannot completely eliminate the sex industry under capitalism.
Efforts for unionization won't eliminate sexual violence, especially considering many male sex workers are perpetrators of violence themselves and there is a financial incentive to overlook these things.
I think there is a contradiction where criminalizing sex work (even if it's just criminalizing the customer) does lead to overall worse conditions, but legalizing leads to more exploitation and violence. Kind of a catch 22.
Why would legalizing make the problem worse? The more above ground something is, the harder it is to use the law as leverage against workers
If I could but in the solution offered in the podcasts I listed wasn't to legalize but to decriminalize. Legalize would mean that only a few people could afford the permits necessary and sex workers usually don't have that kind of money. I don't know if they heading down this route.
You're right, decriminalization is a better option. My language was inaccurate.
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I was reading David Graebers Debt and had a thought: Sex work is inherently involuntary. Most prostitution as in selling your body for money or survival appeared together with the poor and rich divide and with people getting into debt and being forced into the profession. Prostitution was not a voluntary profession even in ancient Babylonian times. Babylonia actually had prostitutes next to sex positive temple workers that did it because sex for pleasure is divine, and not for the money (although the line between them blurred with time).