1 year ago

How many of you are actually prophetic?

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    Pretty sure that's me being quoted. Unfortunately I don't think genuinely wanting revolution and being capable of SA are mutually exclusive.

    • GoebbelsDeezNuts [any]
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      1 year ago

      Sorry this wasn't a dunk on you, I even brought it up because I myself was on the fence about Brand.

      I just thought it was funny

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        I still think the same way about his whole shtick tbh. Just that these accusations are also very believable unfortunately.

        • GoebbelsDeezNuts [any]
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          1 year ago

          I dunno I kinda feel like he was grifting but who knows. part of me just thinks: show me someone who commits a SA and I will show you someone who isn't a revolutionary leftist but idk

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            show me someone who commits a SA and I will show you someone who isn't a revolutionary leftist but idk

            I think some of Stalin's allegations make this a difficult position to maintain.

            • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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              1 year ago

              those allegations are so baseless even the anti-tankie crowd doesnt mention it much. could it have happened? sure. but the evidence is shaky at best and rests on one historians word, Simon Sebag Montefiore. Plus Kruschev was on an anti-Stalin speedrun.

              • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                I know this is such a lib line, but the validity doesn't matter to her point. I think Stalin probably didn't do it, but in the future there certainly will be some important revolutionaries who commit SA because that's something that, sadly, people in positions of power do that with alarming frequency. We're gonna have to figure out how to reconcile that very effective revolutionaries can sometimes be terrible people.

                • silent_water [she/her]
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                  1 year ago

                  protecting abusers in the name of the revolution is doing the work of the feds for them. no single person is so important that it's worth protecting them while jeopardizing the whole movement - it's precisely our urge to protect abusers that feds use to infiltrate, divide, and destroy.

                  • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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                    1 year ago

                    You're right, if we're talking about active people then yes, we gotta root out abusers. I was thinking more in cases where it's uncovered afterward, but didn't qualify it in my comment.

          • Helmic [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            It's a nice sentiment that'll blind us to reality. What will actually differentiate us from our enemies is how we will respond when leftists do it. I don't care if he says the right things.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            Sure but his spin isn't the same as others using that word, he uses the rightwing language but his takes are more of an anti rainbow-capitalism and pink-capitalism approach. I reckon he believes he can appeal to those people and drag them left by doing so, now you might consider that a futile waste of time and I'd be inclined to agree with you but his content has a distinct difference to theirs.

            To be honest though at the moment I don't really care that much for arguing over what he is, and don't really see it as mattering. I do care about seeing these allegations get the proper airing they deserve and with any luck seeing a court room.

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  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    I don't know if it's prophecy or the fact that we all expect the worst of all outcomes and the world rarely fails to surprise us

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        • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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          1 year ago

          I stand by that prediction, using the exact same logic I did to get that answer would get the correct answer every other time in the previous 25 years that any remotely similar situation happened. A 95% hit rate is pretty good.

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  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    The lathe is available to all, but Dirt Owl is screaming and flapping their wings at anyone who goes near it.

  • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    If you actually read real revolutionary texts by real revolutionaries, it's pretty easy to tell the difference. It's all about the initial axioms they are operating on.

    • PKMKII [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Also, there’s a difference between pithy observations on working class oppression and having a fully fledged revolutionary ideology mapped out.

  • BillNyeTheCommieGuy [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    he wants revolution & is also a sex pest. as someone that was unfortunately at a venue he happened to be in, i fully believe he is capable of the allegations about him that have shown up.