Like sure snakes look nice but i would be really fucked up if i had to give it a living or dead rat every half a week or so. Only reason im not vegan is cos of that thin layer of separation between what i eat and the animal it came from, so i dont feel awful everytime i eat, do yall not feel any of that?
it's disturbing that you're clinging to the veneer of separation between meat and the animal it came from.
animals eat each other. it does suck for the mice but like... people don't care about mice getting murdered for venturing into buildings and then suddenly because they see them die it's somehow worse?
like, my kinda An-Prim-ish take is that we're animals kept in 1/10,000th our normal range and suffer a high rate of depression and boredom and overeating and shit, but like, we're doing that to ourselves too so how horrible is it to do it to animals too? like mildly terrible, sure, but like there are also huge benefits about being a kept pet ie getting fed whenever you want it, or never being cold. so like, if you could meaningfully explain the choice to an animal there would be shitloads who knowingly take the blue pill.
im not clinging, i wish i was vegan, and im trying to get there
yes i do. i know crying about it doesnt do anything but it hoenstly breaks my heart.
Do it, it's way easier than it looks
ok, MOM
im gonna fish out your old corpse and give it to walter 4
for real tho i dont want to tell my parents so i wont start until im out of the house for good
The idea of having to "come out" as vegan is very weird to me, but you know your situation way better than i do
Some people are weirdly aggressive with vegans, some parents are weirdly controlling about their children's lives. I assume these two things sometimes blend together and it can't be a healthy living situation
Idk, call me all fashioned but if my child said "I'm gonna start cooking vegan meals for myself, I'm willing to pay for fancy replacements. Yes, I know about B12, these are my supplements" I would simply not care
I get it. My parents absolutely would not have allowed me to be vegan growing up and would have mocked me for years if I ever seriously suggested it. Anything critical of Christianity, guns, or hunting was not tolerated, and my parents saw veganism as an ideology that was opposed to all three. They even specifically forbade my brother and I from watching Bambi and The Iron Giant because of they were critical of hunting for sport.
But now that I'm independent, I get to be vegan and they get to deal with it.
I came to this exact take after my dog (who I loved more than any person) died. I love my brother's dogs and best friend's cats, but I personally will probably never own a pet again.
Totally irrelevent when the topic is live-feeding. No one is saying that snakes should eat celery.
why do you care whether the mouse was killed by the snake vs in a small semi-industrial setting a few hundred miles away and frozen?
Analyzing the ethics of how snakes eat in the wild is absolutely deranged.
We're talking about animals kept in captivity. Nobody can control what animals do in the wild.
This is the comment thread we are under. I don't know what you are talking about, but this is explicitly about wild animals, and projecting human morality onto them.
Okay, I understand now. I thought you were referring to my comment about using pre-killed prey for pet snakes.
No, I agree with that. Owning an un-domesticated animal is already bad. Feeding them a live rat does not solve that problem.
Edit: oh, I am under-neath the wrong comment. I understand the confusion. Sorry!
That's actually from a different comment thread.
Because asphyxiation by strangulation is one of the most violent ways to die, whereas
carbon dioxideany method of euthanasia is humane by comparison.http://www.anapsid.org/prekill2.html
nooooooope
Did you mean carbon monoxide or nitrogen or something? The sensation of suffocation is entirely due to CO2 dissolving into your blood.
Suffocating something with CO2 would literally be torture (I'm pretty sure it's been used as a form of torture, by supplying enough O2 the person never passes out)
Yes, nitrogen is better, but CO2 is still better than strangulation, because strangulation still involves the sensation CO2 dissolving into your blood (plus additional terrors).