• Kaz [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      From their other posts it seems to me that hogposting is arguing for Marx to be treated as Newton is in physics - the vast majority of physicists and engineers don't read Principia or Opticks. Newton's ideas are foundational, but no-one studies "Newtonism". The central, lasting concepts have been modernised and synthesised with the broader study of physics, and there is definitely pushback in some circles at the suggestion the same should be done for Marx.

      I don't think this is really Robinson's point though; he just seems allergic to anything related to Marx.

      • PzkM [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Your instinct was right, he is thoroughly anti-Marx. Here's a clip of Nathan on his podcast saying that socialists would be better off if Marx didn't exist. He rejects just about all of Marx's contributions.

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          It reveals that he neither does theory nor praxis

          He runs a socialist propaganda outlet. He's written a book to persuade people to be socialists. How is none of that theory or praxis?

          It's beyond counterproductive to rip apart someone who's undeniably working to get people over to our side.

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      We don't call physics Newtonology, or make young physics students read Newton's unabridged original works. Nor do we pretend that Newton is the most insightful figure for a comprehensive understanding of modern physics. He's probably not even history's most famous physicist.

      Marx should be treated precisely as physics treats Newton or biology Darwin - someone to be recognized as a giant in the field who fundamentally advanced our understanding of the discipline, but not to be understood as central to the very identity of the discipline. Incidentally, that's precisely what NJR is arguing for. There may be an unfair implication that many/most people who call themselves Marxists don't already see it that way, but it's hard to reasonably dispute that there's a branding problem at the very least.

      • astigmatic [none/use name]
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        no, njr is an explicit utopian. he has no interest in “understanding the discipline” beyond identitary lines. he does not understand and goes as far as rejecting the fundamentals. marx is not a building block to his brand of socialism, no matter how much he vaguely alludes at “liking some of what he said”, marx is nothing but an obstacle