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  • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
    3·
    4 years ago

    I'm sorry, but I can't believe Dore isn't as much a wrecker as any of these other people.

    • PhaseFour [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I'm down to be skeptical of Jimmy Dore, but let's talk specifics.

      Ana Kasparian has participated in the Munich Security Committee, a committee founded by NATO, ex-Nazis, and Henry Kissinger to "secure" the West from communism. It continues to uncritically pushes US imperialism.

      Nomiki Konst was "training w/ Libyan women activist", "some of the founding mothers of Libya's govt." A government which has collaborated with NATO to turn the country into a slave market. She has said publicly that "NATO needed to intervene" to "stablize" Libya.

      What are the specific reasons to see Jimmy Dore as a "wrecker", an "asset", etc?

        • PhaseFour [he/him]
          1·
          4 years ago

          I learned about Jimmy Dore when Justin Jackson quote tweeted him and AOC. Since then, he seemed good.

          My perspective is heavily influenced by my pro-union family that sees Trump as the "lesser of two evils." That often puts me at odds with people who went through the "Liberal to super Liberal to Left" pipeline.

          Refusing to vote for Pelosi & forcing M4A is the first Left-wing electoral strategy since Bernie's 2016 campaign that hasn't been incredibly embarrassing.

            • POKEMONGOTOTHEGULAG [none/use name]
              1·
              4 years ago

              Dore doesn't ruin discourse, the losers who use the excuse that Dore is a dumb guy to do nothing are ruining the discourse

                    • Papanurgel [none/use name]
                      2·
                      4 years ago

                      I wonder why that is? Maybe it's cuz the left is filled with a bunch of tone policing loser liberals that generally don't like stand up comedy.

                        • Papanurgel [none/use name]
                          2·
                          4 years ago

                          What he says doesn't need to be reframed its dead on.

                          Fixing opinion is not worth the time. You have already written him off so why bother with some one worried about tone.

                          Be mad isn't a thing. People are mad that people like your self find him offensive to their sensibility when we live in a brutal dying nation.

                          Jimmy is right on a lot of things and right on this two. But if you get turned off by his demeanor than you aren't serious about revolution or any real change.

            • PhaseFour [he/him]
              1·
              4 years ago

              Yeah, it should not be framed around Jimmy Dore. But he is the one putting the most work into pushing this ball forward, so he will continue to be associated with the project. That won't change any time soon.

              The people who hate Jimmy Dore but support this push will need to recognize that a political coalition does not require us to agree on everything.

      • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
        4·
        4 years ago

        Dore has always rubbed me the wrong way. He pays lip service to a lot of right-wing conspiracies like the Seth Rich thing. He was publicly arguing to vote for Trump instead of Hillary. He was pro-Tulsi who is really only "anti-imperialist" when it comes to Syria. Dude's a total hack. His analysis is shallow at best, even if he occasionally stumbles ass backwards into making the correct conclusion.

    • Papanurgel [none/use name]
      ·
      4 years ago

      When you have this many snakes in the movement it needs a wrecker. They are scared that their grift is in danger.