• lilpissbaby [any]
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    4 years ago

    with the return on investment flowing back to Chinese capitalists.

    while also leaving infrastructure and greater development in African countries. this isn't a zero-sum thing, I really don't see your point.

    • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yea, capitalism is almost always a win/win game for everyone involved.

      I’m sure Chinese capitalists are magically not deriving any sort of surplus from the exploitation of labor in Africa.

      • CoralMarks [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        So, what would've been your alternative to Chinas approach?

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          One alternative would be a sort of in-kind reparations: a country like the U.S. could provide the capital and expertise to build, say, a railway in a developing country, and then leave ownership of that railway in the hands of that country's government. I don't think it's fair to criticize China for not doing this (especially when no one else is doing this, and when China has a responsibility to develop their domestic economy for their own citizens, too), but it's the kind of idealistic goal we should be shooting for.

          • CoralMarks [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Bear with me, only my thoughts.
            My hope is, that Chinas intention is to slowly and meticulously, basically under the nose of the US, even utilising its resources if possible in Chinas interest, wants to establish a framework for mutual development globally. Promoting their socialist system through their actions rather than trying to explicitly facilitate singular revolutions, which would've definitely gotten them sanctioned on Iran levels I'd imagine.

            When it comes to direct support for political parties, I can imagine why China tries to stay from that, at least for now, see the mentioned sanctions.
            You know how the US and its allies would misconstrue this as regime change(haha I know) and if necessary ostracise China from the rest of the planet.

            And even if China would provide aid to revolutionary causes in Africa how likely would it be that they succeed in the long term without support in the region?

            To clarify, I do not uncritically support China. But I have hope for them being able to break the US' global hegemony.

            And if you think about it how else could capitalism ever be overthrown?

      • lilpissbaby [any]
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        4 years ago

        I didn't say they weren't, I just said that at least they are leaving infrastructure and development, whereas Europe and the US would just exploit those workers even worse and plunder their natural resources.

        What do you want China to do? Export revolutions and anger pretty much every other state? Have some patience, that time will come but first the PRC must get stronger and so should communism internationally.

        • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          What do you want China to do? Export revolutions and anger pretty much every other state?

          It seems like every nation, (well just those nations in the US sphere of influence) is already angry at China as capitalist competition breeds conflict.

          And yes, they should be building for international working class power, but that would of course require the CPC to stop betraying the revolution at home.