bonus points if you get banned for sharing it

i'll start: most "vote blue no matter who" liberals are actually good people (not including terminally online liberals as anyone who is terminally online is a bad person)

  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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    10 months ago

    This one is from a long time ago, but it was someone who barged into a discussion about Nietzsche saying that they would never read him because he was racist and misogynist but also people should take their opinions on his work seriously.

    I've seen about a hundred circle-jerk discussions about Freud by people who have never read a word of Freud.

    People calling teachers cops

    People dismissing most/all philosophy, theory and art post-Marx as a CIA op

    And frankly, just generally there are quite a few STEM-brained people who don't really have an understanding of the humanities or art writ large

    I love all my comrades here, but some of y'all need to read a book that is not political theory

    • SuperZutsuki [they/them, any]
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      10 months ago

      Teachers, outside of a small percentage of hyperchuds, are the only people that actually give a shit about kids and sacrifice a huge amount of their time to try and keep kids out of prison. The institution of public education is absolutely designed to fail in the US and many other "first-world" countries but that's not because of the teachers. Through strikes and contract negotiations they fight for better standards. The administration and think-tanks are the ones trying to cut costs and do the bare minimum needed to train perfect worker drones that never question authority. I have a friend who teaches that spends up to 5 hours after school helping people that are falling behind and have heard tons of stories of teachers similarly working for free.

      • ratboy [they/them]
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        10 months ago

        Not to mention that in some cases teachers are the only healthy, secure adult relationships, that kids have. Some kids come from really fucked up abusive homes and having one teacher cheer that kid on can change their whole lives.

        • FishLake@lemmygrad.ml
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          10 months ago

          As a teacher I can tell you I am not paid nearly enough by the CIA to give a shit about rich kids. Gimme a solidified pile of untreated ADHD and poverty any day of the week if it prevents me from having to interact with Tanner’s insufferable stay-at-home mother.

    • LeylaLove [she/her, love/loves]
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      10 months ago

      To add to your unpopular opinion; I believe a big part of this is because people on Chapo don't actually read theory, but only get snippets and extrapolations from other people. Oppose Book Worship is a great piece of literature, but it also gives anti-intellectuals an intellectual justification for being ass backwards.

      I also think a lot of it is held up by purity testing. I like Hexbear, but it's pretty much had the same reputation on Lemmy as Reddit because we got a lot of people who think they're better than everybody else because they listened to a podcast or watched a YouTuber.

    • American_Badass [none/use name]
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      10 months ago

      If you see someone calling a teacher a cop, I assure you it's because they were given a detention or a phone call to mom earlier in the day.

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      I agree with all of this, but as someone who taught, I was absolutely a cop in many contexts. Like, being a teacher as in , person who helps people learn is cool and good. Teacher as a profession that includes grading, assigning detention, enforcing truancy laws, controlling behavior and even bodily functions, that's absolutely about social control.

      • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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        10 months ago

        I've written out and deleted several versions of a reply, but I'll just say that the kind of social control exercised when I give a grade and when the police murder someone in the street with the full backing of the state are of a rather different character and I'd appreciate I'd you didn't conflate them

        • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          Yeah, fair. I definitely want to see dramatic school reform that gets rid of truancy laws and grades, but I think you're right that calling teachers cops is too much. It's more in line with social work, where the cops are always close, but not always present.

    • PeoplesRepublicOfNewEngland [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      People should be allowed to have problematic faves. Here's an unpopular opinion for you, maybe not as highbrow as Nietzsche: Rudyard Kipling was a brilliant poet. And George Orwell's take on him was absolute Reddit level jackassery full of deliberate misreading.

      Pretty sure che-poggers would agree. Maybe also gramsci-heh

      • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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        Kipling's Just So Stories, problematic content aside, are some of the best and purest children's stories ever. Also the story behind them is incredibly sweet and sad

        If someone wants to complain about Nietzsche and why he sucks all day long they can, but they'd at least better read him first. You're not a better person if you choose to remain ignorant about something because of your preconceived notions about it. Whoever your intellectual hero is, they spent a lot of time reading stuff they didn't like or agree with, because that's the price of being able to speak authoritatively about a topic.

        And if you don't want to that's fine too, as long as you admit you don't know about it. There's tons of stuff I'll never read for a variety of reasons. But I'm not like actually I'm super cool because I decided not to to do the work of reading it.

        • SpiderFarmer [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          Nietzchie really is an amazing writer. Ayn Rand is meanwhile Nietzche, but somehow more of a psycho and one of the worst writers I have ever read.

    • dinklesplein [any, he/him]
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      10 months ago

      someone who barged into a discussion about Nietzsche saying that they would never read him because he was racist and misogynist but also people should take their opinions on his work seriously.

      a writer being reactionary doesn't preclude them from having insightful things to say and hopefully more hexbears start to understand this. my example for this that stuck with me is when i studied nozick in undergrad philosophy, and i personally found his 'experience machine' critique of hedonism pretty cool despite disagreeing with the rest of his body of work (obviously).