The whole "we have guns to make a revolution to overthrow a tyrannic government" thing is such a big joke that even leftist Americans believe. When and if some kind of revolution is viable, the government will have outlawed them anyways in response to that and leftists definitely won't have the advantage in gun ownership. They'll still have to do it the same way everyone else does, illegally and with the help of dissident military/police, and even then that will be secondary to the rest (general strikes etc). It's only little street fights that they may be useful in, but, like, they're just not terribly important in general.
This is less about revolution and more about leftists realizing they’re outnumbered
That's really the central issue. The issue is being outnumbered. Not just for defense purposes, but in general. The left is going nowhere if there aren't numbers behind it.
I'm probably showing my European bias but I'm still convinced US gun laws are a bad idea. For me, under a capitalist system (one that among other things, promotes an individualistic mindset and brutality in general), what they incentivise is accidents, suicides, school shootings, and random acts of violence. A large enough proletariat revolution would in my mind not require such gun rights; either a significant part of the armed force join you with their guns (unlikely) or the workers themselves can produce enough basic weapons (much more likely) to acquire more advanced ones from the former (a sten gun is easy enough to produce after all - it was meant to be easy to do so).
Moreover, acquiring an AR-15 slightly limited to EU laws in my country (which is possible through a "gun sporting license", basically) would put me in a series of watchlists, with regular cops control; acquiring limited means of production (metal lathe, lead forge and the like) for simpler guns - such as a STEN ones - would not.
Befriend a boomer, go shooting with them, and wait for them to bequeath their guns to you in their will. It's a long mission of deep undercover work but in the end it will be worth it.
Generally speaking: I think people with more than 1 or 2 guns are weird.
And if they literally have a wall of them, I'd consider that a red flag.
There was a firearm blogger, I think Vuurwapenblog, that had a video about essential guns.
And he prefaces it by saying you don't need to have too many, but quickly clarifies that you need at least seven.
I'd consider that to be too many, imo.
He took most of his stuff down, though, so I can't find the video anymore.
I'm trying to think of the minimum guns you could justify.
- 9mm pistol
- AR15 (or AK, if that's more reasonable where you live)
- precision rifle
- .22 rifle for cheap practice
- I guess a shotgun? For hunting or home defence that doesn't overpenetrate?
So yeah, 4-5 if you're really trying to cover every possible scenario? How do you get up to 7?
I don't remember, unfortunately.
I do think that there was one compact pistol, and one full size pistol, though, so that's one more.
Edit: I tried to see if I could find an archived version of the video. Couldn't, but found a forum post talking about it, and the essential list is:
Carry-size pistol, full-size pistol, semi-auto rifle, large caliber bolt action, shotgun, 22 rifle, and 22 pistol
To me, it's long gun, handgun, that's it. Get a new one, sell an old one. Sure, some extra fun guns, but they're not needed.
If I was a hunter, I could understand keeping a hunting rifle in addition to an AR/AK type, obviously.
So, this is supposed to be, like, an appeal to not buy too many guns, yet since it's by a gun person, for gun people, "not too many" meant seven.
Blog post is here. But the yt video it goes to is no more.
Also, I've always had shit luck with 22 semi handguns. They cycle awfully. Ammo is always blamed. And maybe it's true, but geez, if it needs to have one specific brand of 22 to function right, when even finding 22 at all is tough, it ain't getting used very often. 22 revolvers are cool, though.
3 makes sense: shotgun, rifle, and a pistol. Maybe two rifles, one long shot one ar-15. But 17? Average??? I wonder what the median is.
Depends what you have them for.... I have two shotguns for hunting/skeet, an SKS for coolness, and a .22 for target/fun. Don't really consider myself a weirdo.
My one gripe with overly zealous pro gun leftists is that most people aren't rich enough to have the money to spare to buy an AR 15
We could all learn to make bombs from saltpeter. During French colonialism that's how our boomers did it. The French soon banned the natives from owning salt of any sort though, but hey it still worked.
Let's be honest with ourselves the American left isn't going to go beyond street fights against proud boys. A lot just don't have the mentality for that sort of violence cause liberalism really crippled us on that point.
I'll double down. Nobody in the u.s can seriously go beyond street fights and random shootings. The fact of the matter is that war really fucking sucks and the effort to start one and maintain any form of war goes beyond the level of acceptance and sacrifice anyone is willing to make.
This is why I respect the guerrilla fighters of the left. The kind of sacrifice needed to spend years fighting what very well be a suicidal one for a dream of liberation shows the depths of humanity in their hearts.
Unironically loot them. Make a copy of their keys, wait for them to be away. Store the loot in a safe place
You'd be surprised. A lot of hunters (myself included) are very passionate about the idea of public land and this can be a good gateway to radicalization. As a person of color I was a little nervous getting into hunting and firearms a few years ago but I've found most people to be pretty friendly and as apolitical and sound-bite brained as most Americans.
I think there's a lot to do about geography too. I'm out west with a ton of public land. I hear it's quite the opposite back east.
I can tell you there is some strong overlap between right-wing leanings and being a hunter,
ikr? God, i want to learn the whole tracking and finding prey animals thing so bad but just to shoot *pictures * of them. I want all the pretty pictures of all the pretty animals lol. I can't really get the thought process behind wanting to kill the thing. We have meat for sale anywhere, while screw with nature harder.
Big whoop, they can only hold two at a time. I'll take em on :chavez-guns:
Guns can only do so much. That's why I own an F-35. (They'll sell them to anyone these days!)
Discuss the broader implications
Everyone reading this should own a long gun and a sidearm.
Everyone should read Rosanne Dunbar Ortiz's Book on the history of the 2nd amendment and its roots in settler-colonial genocide and slavery. http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=A493EDD3E93A1E7DCAED754A2195B1E9
