yeah pipelines are good, which breadtube isn't because their "politics" are entirely aesthetic and they are no different than any surrogate internet friend that people put on to drown out their thoughts, sorry I hurt your surrogate friends feelings, but they are completely useless to any real leftist movement, if not actively detrimental by funneling potential leftists into a place of nihilistic navel gazing dishonesty and inaction
I'm not going to go full conspiracy but "breadtube" may as well be a CIA op designed to funnel energy out of the left, you're idiots for pretending its doing anything else though, keep lying to yourself that its "building" the left, then be really surprised in 5 years when your movement collapses completely cause its filled with flakes and grifters
honestly this is just like watching the "alt right" again lol, you guys are clowns
Its not a matter of opinion whether or not Breadtube is a pipeline. It is a demonstrative objective fact that people have been radicalized by Breadtube. You are objectively wrong. The fact that you're annoyed at some opinions you see on /r/Breadtube or twitter or whatever lead you to this garbage doesn't change the reality that many people, who in some cases were literally proto-fash before they discovered Shaun or whoever, have come to be leftists of some sort. And I'm not even talking about people who end up as radlib socdems, I'm talking about people becoming outright communists after having breadtube as a starting point. And guess what? In the case of the people who were proto-fash before discovering breadtube, of which there are a shocking number, them ending up as socdem radlibs is still overall better than them sinking deeper into the alt right rabbit hole.
You've formed this idea in your head based on petty grievances with people you don't like. Fuck off with it and stop trying to destroy the left wing version of Sargon and co. At least the fascists are smart enough to realize that their version of the pipeline is a good thing for them. Leftists are fucking morons about that kind of shit. Get your head out of your ass.
ah yes "petty grievances" like proving to be complete hypocrites on key issues that prove they don't have a coherent understanding of the politics they represent outside of an aesthetic sense
nah I'm not going to pretend that breadtube doesn't give a fuck about trans people and just uses them in bad faith while underplaying every issue they bring to the table with the exact rhetoric you use now, just downplaying everything trans people face as "it doesn't matter" "its petty", you're all fake as fuck leftists, see you in 5 years when you've moved on to whatever phase is next in your life.
Are you expanding the problems with Contra specifically to the entirety of Breadtube lmao? Because I gave up defending Contra awhile ago. Too many trans comrades and particularly enby comrades made their completely legitimate grievances with her clear to me, including my own partner.
For anyone other than Contra and he who must not be named though, I really don't give a fuck about their motives for making videos tbh. If it works, it works. And the results speak for themselves. You totally ignored that part of my post though. Guess turning proto-fashes away from the alt right pipeline is meaningless to you. Like its totally cool to just allow more people to end up fash by abandoning the idea of creating content on Youtube completely.
I've already been a leftist for more than five years. So fuck off with calling me fake. You're incredibly toxic. If you think everyone here is fake because of one conversation you should just fucking leave. Community would be better off.
But it isn't "turning people away from being fash" that's my point, its turning people into stupidpol posters who blame trans people and the "idpol" for all their problems and teaching them to hide their grievances behind a bad faith "economic concern" angle, I'd rather have the openly nazi fascists who we know what they are than these disingenuous red fascist fucks trying to infect from the left
Its hilarious you call me toxic because I'm uncompromising on consistency and honesty, sorry that's called being a true leftist, I'm not going to just be a slimy post modernist and manipulate the connection between words and actions.
Lmao you think Breadtube fans are stupidpol posters? Where the fuck did you get that idea? You're off your rocker. None of the ex-protofash I've met who turned left because of breadtube are anything close to that. Most people who complain about Breadtube are coming from the exact opposite angle, thinking that Breadtube is creating a bunch of radlibs who only care about idpol and don't have interest in the economig angle. Which just goes to show you how silly the complaints are, two sides of that argument both blame leftube for the people they don't like. Incredible. Breatube makes way too many videos about idpol issues for me to imagine that stupidpol enjoys them in the slightest.
I'm calling you toxic because you're writing off the whole fucking community as "fake" based on your disagreement with me specifically.
Not a convincing argument that your own anecdotal evidence about all the "ex-fash" you know are totally not watching breadtube, I can point to actual evidence which is simply produced by browsing stupidpol on any given day, that shows that stupidpol does support breadtubers in the idea that they recognize they are useful idiots to sow division, that doesn't mean stupidpol users are watching every video they produce, subscribe to them or even like them, but stupidpol loves using breadtubers as tools as breadtubers have positioned and presented themselves as speaking with utmost authority on what they are talking about. Have an issue with something? Well sorry, here's a clip of a breadtuber disagreeing, your problems don't exist and if you keep trying to insist they do then you are an idpol obessesed librul. That isn't possible without breadtubers having positioned themselves speaking with way too much authority when they are just random who's on the internet, this is the key factor that makes the breadtube no different than the alt right or any other attempt to silence minorities concerns by speaking for them and around them through bad faith actors.
OK first of all, my evidence is anecdotal but your browsing stupidpol is real evidence lmao. I don't pull my evidence just from the people I know, I pull it from things I've observed in leftist communities. But both things are actually anecodtal. Neither of us have data. Also, I didn't say they don't watch breadtube I said the ex-fash I know do or did watch breadtube and it deradicalized them from the right and served as the starting point to turning them far left.
When the hell has someone like Shaun ever said anything that stupidpol can use to shoot down minority concerns lmao? Literally the only two people involved with "Breadtube" that I can think of that have done that are Contra, and basically only on twitter with her, and Vaush who I don't even fucking count as being breadtube. Consequently, those are the two leftish youtbers I don't defend at all anymore (or ever in Vaush's case).
Besides, the fact that stupidpol use one or two of them to manipulate their own narrative doesn't make the the entirety of leftish youtube content bad. Crypto-chuds gonna use bullshit to manipulate the narrative just like open chuds. Whatever clips they are using, it isn't a majority of their content. And if you look at the ACTUAL FUCKING BREATUBE SUB, you'll see that it has nothing in common with Stupidpol. Also, the fact that stupidpol users use breadtube to manipulate their narrative does NOT prove that they arrived at their current viewpoints because of breadtube now does it? That was your original claim.
Maybe you should stop browsing stupidpol so much. Probably bad for your mental health. Its a very specific form of very online poisoning. Stupidpol have no real world power whatsoever, they are completely irrelevant to leftism as a whole. They are not a threat. Ignore them. Like i hate them too but you've clearly gone way too down that rabbit hole for your own well being.
Its not how I see things right now but honestly I would love more than anything if I was wrong and you were right, I never want to be right about this kind of thing but I just don't feel or see things going to that way
Honestly, I can empathize with that, and I'm sorry for reacting harshly at first. At the end of the day, we're comrades and should treat each other well. So I sincerely apologize for the mean things I said.
Shut the fuck up. Pipelines are good.
yeah pipelines are good, which breadtube isn't because their "politics" are entirely aesthetic and they are no different than any surrogate internet friend that people put on to drown out their thoughts, sorry I hurt your surrogate friends feelings, but they are completely useless to any real leftist movement, if not actively detrimental by funneling potential leftists into a place of nihilistic navel gazing dishonesty and inaction I'm not going to go full conspiracy but "breadtube" may as well be a CIA op designed to funnel energy out of the left, you're idiots for pretending its doing anything else though, keep lying to yourself that its "building" the left, then be really surprised in 5 years when your movement collapses completely cause its filled with flakes and grifters
honestly this is just like watching the "alt right" again lol, you guys are clowns
Its not a matter of opinion whether or not Breadtube is a pipeline. It is a demonstrative objective fact that people have been radicalized by Breadtube. You are objectively wrong. The fact that you're annoyed at some opinions you see on /r/Breadtube or twitter or whatever lead you to this garbage doesn't change the reality that many people, who in some cases were literally proto-fash before they discovered Shaun or whoever, have come to be leftists of some sort. And I'm not even talking about people who end up as radlib socdems, I'm talking about people becoming outright communists after having breadtube as a starting point. And guess what? In the case of the people who were proto-fash before discovering breadtube, of which there are a shocking number, them ending up as socdem radlibs is still overall better than them sinking deeper into the alt right rabbit hole.
You've formed this idea in your head based on petty grievances with people you don't like. Fuck off with it and stop trying to destroy the left wing version of Sargon and co. At least the fascists are smart enough to realize that their version of the pipeline is a good thing for them. Leftists are fucking morons about that kind of shit. Get your head out of your ass.
ah yes "petty grievances" like proving to be complete hypocrites on key issues that prove they don't have a coherent understanding of the politics they represent outside of an aesthetic sense
nah I'm not going to pretend that breadtube doesn't give a fuck about trans people and just uses them in bad faith while underplaying every issue they bring to the table with the exact rhetoric you use now, just downplaying everything trans people face as "it doesn't matter" "its petty", you're all fake as fuck leftists, see you in 5 years when you've moved on to whatever phase is next in your life.
Are you expanding the problems with Contra specifically to the entirety of Breadtube lmao? Because I gave up defending Contra awhile ago. Too many trans comrades and particularly enby comrades made their completely legitimate grievances with her clear to me, including my own partner.
For anyone other than Contra and he who must not be named though, I really don't give a fuck about their motives for making videos tbh. If it works, it works. And the results speak for themselves. You totally ignored that part of my post though. Guess turning proto-fashes away from the alt right pipeline is meaningless to you. Like its totally cool to just allow more people to end up fash by abandoning the idea of creating content on Youtube completely.
I've already been a leftist for more than five years. So fuck off with calling me fake. You're incredibly toxic. If you think everyone here is fake because of one conversation you should just fucking leave. Community would be better off.
But it isn't "turning people away from being fash" that's my point, its turning people into stupidpol posters who blame trans people and the "idpol" for all their problems and teaching them to hide their grievances behind a bad faith "economic concern" angle, I'd rather have the openly nazi fascists who we know what they are than these disingenuous red fascist fucks trying to infect from the left
Its hilarious you call me toxic because I'm uncompromising on consistency and honesty, sorry that's called being a true leftist, I'm not going to just be a slimy post modernist and manipulate the connection between words and actions.
Lmao you think Breadtube fans are stupidpol posters? Where the fuck did you get that idea? You're off your rocker. None of the ex-protofash I've met who turned left because of breadtube are anything close to that. Most people who complain about Breadtube are coming from the exact opposite angle, thinking that Breadtube is creating a bunch of radlibs who only care about idpol and don't have interest in the economig angle. Which just goes to show you how silly the complaints are, two sides of that argument both blame leftube for the people they don't like. Incredible. Breatube makes way too many videos about idpol issues for me to imagine that stupidpol enjoys them in the slightest.
I'm calling you toxic because you're writing off the whole fucking community as "fake" based on your disagreement with me specifically.
Not a convincing argument that your own anecdotal evidence about all the "ex-fash" you know are totally not watching breadtube, I can point to actual evidence which is simply produced by browsing stupidpol on any given day, that shows that stupidpol does support breadtubers in the idea that they recognize they are useful idiots to sow division, that doesn't mean stupidpol users are watching every video they produce, subscribe to them or even like them, but stupidpol loves using breadtubers as tools as breadtubers have positioned and presented themselves as speaking with utmost authority on what they are talking about. Have an issue with something? Well sorry, here's a clip of a breadtuber disagreeing, your problems don't exist and if you keep trying to insist they do then you are an idpol obessesed librul. That isn't possible without breadtubers having positioned themselves speaking with way too much authority when they are just random who's on the internet, this is the key factor that makes the breadtube no different than the alt right or any other attempt to silence minorities concerns by speaking for them and around them through bad faith actors.
OK first of all, my evidence is anecdotal but your browsing stupidpol is real evidence lmao. I don't pull my evidence just from the people I know, I pull it from things I've observed in leftist communities. But both things are actually anecodtal. Neither of us have data. Also, I didn't say they don't watch breadtube I said the ex-fash I know do or did watch breadtube and it deradicalized them from the right and served as the starting point to turning them far left.
When the hell has someone like Shaun ever said anything that stupidpol can use to shoot down minority concerns lmao? Literally the only two people involved with "Breadtube" that I can think of that have done that are Contra, and basically only on twitter with her, and Vaush who I don't even fucking count as being breadtube. Consequently, those are the two leftish youtbers I don't defend at all anymore (or ever in Vaush's case).
Besides, the fact that stupidpol use one or two of them to manipulate their own narrative doesn't make the the entirety of leftish youtube content bad. Crypto-chuds gonna use bullshit to manipulate the narrative just like open chuds. Whatever clips they are using, it isn't a majority of their content. And if you look at the ACTUAL FUCKING BREATUBE SUB, you'll see that it has nothing in common with Stupidpol. Also, the fact that stupidpol users use breadtube to manipulate their narrative does NOT prove that they arrived at their current viewpoints because of breadtube now does it? That was your original claim.
Maybe you should stop browsing stupidpol so much. Probably bad for your mental health. Its a very specific form of very online poisoning. Stupidpol have no real world power whatsoever, they are completely irrelevant to leftism as a whole. They are not a threat. Ignore them. Like i hate them too but you've clearly gone way too down that rabbit hole for your own well being.
Its not how I see things right now but honestly I would love more than anything if I was wrong and you were right, I never want to be right about this kind of thing but I just don't feel or see things going to that way
Honestly, I can empathize with that, and I'm sorry for reacting harshly at first. At the end of the day, we're comrades and should treat each other well. So I sincerely apologize for the mean things I said.