I have criticized the CCP for creating their own bourgeoise and the letting them into their communist party. Breaking up Alibaba is good. Purging Jack Ma is better. The CCP must purge all their bourgeoise now that they successfully have increased their productive capacity.
they need to completely purge Jiang Zemin and his Shanghai clique, the big neolib part of the CCP, don't know if Xi's plan is still full Communism, but he seems the most left of the modern leaders.
Karl Marx saw coops much like unions as an interesting tool within class struggle and proably transition. A socialist economy would have no privat enterprises (coop or otherwise), no markets and no money.
I never understood why the modern left has such a hard one for coops. Capitalism is shit not because all the capitalists are evil, but because the profit motive has it's own logic, it would be the same logic in a coop. A rational economy is a planned one, that doesn't mean that it must resemble the hyper centralized top-down soviet model of planning.
I never understood why the modern left has such a hard one for coops.
I have a hard on for coops in the context of a transitional phase, I think that's what most actual marxists have in mind. Having all private enterprise be coops would probably soften the damage market logic does at least somewhat.
There's probably a lot of socdems that think coops are the be all end all of socialism though.
Not having a bourgeois class shouldnt be a controversial requirement for achieving communism. I can't set China's schedule nor was I attempting to. Hopefully Xi and the CCP will do so at whatever pace is appropriate. They've done well so far as getting productive forces up.
All you or I can do oberserve when it comes to China.
How about you work on building a socialist movement in your own society instead of telling others what to do? I can't believe this shit is upvoted so high. Do western leftists think China can just push the communism button?
It's not that they can "push the communism button", but it's more like "turn the socialism dial". As the country continues to grow and establish itself, the expectation is that the dial is turned "up".
That's not to say that I think they are at the point of going full speed ahead and re-nationalizing everything, but slapping around their billionaires like this is always gonna be a big plus. Hopefully the day is near where the wealth of Chinese billionaires is reappropriated back to Chinese workers, ideally with support from the Party.
I'm not a public figure, nor a journalist, nor is this even twitter or Facebook. This is a leftist shitposting board. So why do you give so many shits about my opinion of a country I have no influence over?
Do western leftists think China can just push the communism button?
I'm just sharing my analysis of China's current state and what their path forward looks to be. You should understand that we ought have a consesus on major foreign politics. Do you really want it to just be "Everything is great / Mind your own business"?
The comment is not just at you but is directed at the 70+ people who upvoted you. You can have your opinion, just like I have my own opinion that Western leftists make stupid comments about AES. Like "purging" its capitalist class as if that wont just result in violent counterrevolution and diplomatic isolation in a crucial moment where China is finally exerting soft power and fighting against overt US imperialism. Not to mention the social conditions dont even exist where the majority of the population want to transition to a socialist system.
Sure. It's weird that low effort post I literally made on the shitter at work got the most up votes I've ever gotten. I just was trying to cheer on what I saw was a good thing. I'm not going to scold Xi for not going after Pony Ma immediately after but I'll cheer when he does.
I have criticized the CCP for creating their own bourgeoise and the letting them into their communist party. Breaking up Alibaba is good. Purging Jack Ma is better. The CCP must purge all their bourgeoise now that they successfully have increased their productive capacity.
:haram: No more free range bourgeoise.
:halal: Only factory farmed bourgeoise.
they need to completely purge Jiang Zemin and his Shanghai clique, the big neolib part of the CCP, don't know if Xi's plan is still full Communism, but he seems the most left of the modern leaders.
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Didn’t Jiang Zemin get slowly dismantled under Hu Jintao, with Xi finishing the job?
Mass coopization of private enteprises when?
the end goal is probably some crazy AI powered planned economy with no private enterprises at all.
Karl Marx saw coops much like unions as an interesting tool within class struggle and proably transition. A socialist economy would have no privat enterprises (coop or otherwise), no markets and no money. I never understood why the modern left has such a hard one for coops. Capitalism is shit not because all the capitalists are evil, but because the profit motive has it's own logic, it would be the same logic in a coop. A rational economy is a planned one, that doesn't mean that it must resemble the hyper centralized top-down soviet model of planning.
I have a hard on for coops in the context of a transitional phase, I think that's what most actual marxists have in mind. Having all private enterprise be coops would probably soften the damage market logic does at least somewhat.
There's probably a lot of socdems that think coops are the be all end all of socialism though.
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I know they have more than your average western country but do you have any info how many exactly?
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That's pretty dope, thanks for the info.
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Not having a bourgeois class shouldnt be a controversial requirement for achieving communism. I can't set China's schedule nor was I attempting to. Hopefully Xi and the CCP will do so at whatever pace is appropriate. They've done well so far as getting productive forces up.
All you or I can do oberserve when it comes to China.
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How about you work on building a socialist movement in your own society instead of telling others what to do? I can't believe this shit is upvoted so high. Do western leftists think China can just push the communism button?
It's not that they can "push the communism button", but it's more like "turn the socialism dial". As the country continues to grow and establish itself, the expectation is that the dial is turned "up".
That's not to say that I think they are at the point of going full speed ahead and re-nationalizing everything, but slapping around their billionaires like this is always gonna be a big plus. Hopefully the day is near where the wealth of Chinese billionaires is reappropriated back to Chinese workers, ideally with support from the Party.
I'm not a public figure, nor a journalist, nor is this even twitter or Facebook. This is a leftist shitposting board. So why do you give so many shits about my opinion of a country I have no influence over?
I'm just sharing my analysis of China's current state and what their path forward looks to be. You should understand that we ought have a consesus on major foreign politics. Do you really want it to just be "Everything is great / Mind your own business"?
The comment is not just at you but is directed at the 70+ people who upvoted you. You can have your opinion, just like I have my own opinion that Western leftists make stupid comments about AES. Like "purging" its capitalist class as if that wont just result in violent counterrevolution and diplomatic isolation in a crucial moment where China is finally exerting soft power and fighting against overt US imperialism. Not to mention the social conditions dont even exist where the majority of the population want to transition to a socialist system.
Sure. It's weird that low effort post I literally made on the shitter at work got the most up votes I've ever gotten. I just was trying to cheer on what I saw was a good thing. I'm not going to scold Xi for not going after Pony Ma immediately after but I'll cheer when he does.