I think it’s a a self report whenever you have these discussions and white people assume that indigenous groups will be as genocidal as they were
They won't be. Which is why a pre-condition to returning indigenous land is white self-genocide. It's the one thing we know how to do, let's put it to good by doing it to ourselves.
Well, yes, but also: Dubul' ibhunu got a more intense ring to it. Though in practice it will be more akin to what you write.
They're gonna scoop us all up in a big dump truck and dump us into the sea
and frankly we deserve itUhh well actually they'd use a haul trgurgle warble gurgle
What would be the ecological impact of millions of anglos getting dumped into the atlantic ocean
It is sort of understandable that someone unfamiliar with landback but familiar with the fact that literally all the land in the Americas belonged to Native Americans would completely misinterpret what landback means of you dont specify that returning large amounts of public land is all that has to mean, and that it actually does not mean returning all of the stolen land. Also helps that one of the comments under this comment will be a picture of Hans Moleman from the Simpsons and "I was saying it"
Edit: oh somebody already posted it lmao
and that it actually does not mean returning all of the stolen land.
Returning public lands in the capitalist system would just mean that the corporations will strong arm the tribes to exploit the land unfortunately
This has actually happened before
That's gonna be true in pretty much all circumstances, but at least they'd be positioned to get their slice of the pie (coup of the new indigenous government incoming ofc)
Yeah they just coup the government or bribe people, its very common. Very rare for the average tribe citizen to get anything out of it
Part of this rests on tribal leadership. Granted they do a much better job than america given their resources, ie primarily the casinos. They have enough for subsidized education and healthcare for tribe members. It's usually not what you'd call great though. As you say, the average tribe citizen sees very little of the profit. Most of it stays in the casinos with the council or whoever's running the board. It's almost like the forces of capital corrupt any power structure they come in contact with.
The fuck do you mean that's gonna be true under pretty much all circumstances? 'Get their slice of the pie' this is capitalist mentality. The exceptional circumstances are the revolution, brother.
What I mean is there's currently no revolutionary movement in the United States, as much as I'd love to see it.
idk man I see class consciousness building. It's drowned out by all the other shit most of the time, and that's by design, but it's happening. The Overton window is getting spread wide open like a gaping asshole. The bottom is falling out of the capitalist social contract, people are getting hungry. All the usual suspects are lined up to take the blame, but the old narratives don't go down quite the way they used to. There's a lot of balkanized fascism that has to be addressed. Maybe it'll take something on the scale of russia in WWI, but it's coming. We are living in the most interesting of times
There is a very real revolutionary spirit that you will only see if you go to these places and talk to the people there. Like out at Pine Ridge.
Of course if you're just some random white person, they probably aren't going trust talking to you about any of that. I had the enormous privilege of being invited into discussions and places that I absolutely never would have if it were not for being there as Sungmanitu's guest and the fact that I have a history of supporting their struggle including familial ties.
They have been preparing for such an inevitability for a very long time, they are just waiting for the white proletariat to be ready to follow them.
It is there you just aren't looking for it.
I don't mean this to come off as condescending, my recent trip out there was very eye opening.
I'd be interested to hear more, if you know of a resource or article thats representative of your experience
Well, under our system the capitalists would do that even if the Native Americans got the whole continent. If the land gets taken over by a bunch of megalandlords we can help them overthrow that system if they ask for our help, same as anyone
Well, under our system the capitalists would do that even if the Native Americans got the whole continent.
Sounds like we need a better system.
If the land gets taken over by a bunch of megalandlords we can help them overthrow that system if they ask for our help, same as anyone
A bunch of megalandlords have taken over the land right now, no one's overthrown them yet.
I checked out landback's youtube. Don't get me wrong, the existance of Mt. Rushmore is a slap in the face to anyone who holds the black hills sacred, and indigenous people generally. I just don't believe it's status will ever be change as long as the US government continues in its current form.
No yeah obviously we do, I'm just saying that the world's current system isnt a reason to keep the land in white hands
Literally the reason why the new chilean constitution got rejected, just replace”white” with chilean
Y'all can literally give your land back to indigenous people at any time.
would someone please send me back to europe and give the native north americans their land back please, it's for the best of everyone.
Idk if you're joking or not but Land Back advocates do not advocate for white people to be sent back to Europe. So you're just self flagellating and its kind of embarrassing.
im just fucking around chill we're in a sub that has "PISS" as the banner
I forgot we were in the meme sub and autism happened sorry lol
I don't think it's necessary to send the whiteys back out of some sense of vengeance or spite or whatever but even though you can give back land, you can't undo genocide. Indigenous people are minorities in their own land and will be for the foreseeable future.
How would you stop the majority of white people from just voting to take back the land or radicalizing into fascists over time? The track records of minority populations trying to keep on top of a majority population is not exactly heartwarming.
I think both decolonization and socialist revolution don't make sense unless you assume a degree of Balkanization of the US with the US's geopolitical rivals supporting the separatist republics. With Balkanization, there will be pieces that are slanted towards being whiter than average and pieces that are slanted towards being less white than average. It's the less-white-than-average pieces that have potential to be socialist and where decolonization could actually take place. The flip side is that the whiter-than-average pieces will be irredeemably Christofascist. A lot of it would boil down to how the less-white-than-average pieces can defend themselves from fascist separatists and the US rump state and whether they can get the majority of support from the US's geopolitical rivals.
while i sympathise with the plight of the working class yankee
we don't need more brainworms here, we have enough as it is
For real though every time the sun hits my skin it’s a reminder my ancestors sinned by going this far south. It’s literally painful to exist here why the fuck did they come here?
When I was in
the sun felt nice on my skin when it was out, the temperature was beautiful, and my allergies disappeared. It’s almost like I evolved to live on those stupid islands because I didMy family is from germanic regions, and i cant stand the heat in the midwest USA I tjink im just fuxked
No because then you would be a refugee and we all know how Europe feels about refugees
European refugee policy is distilled
.Look at how they treated North African refugees vs Ukrainians.
Ukraine is a special case because everyone went mad about the war. eastern european immigrants are normally hated in western Europe
please hunt whites for sport, me first
