Hi, I've lurked here for a while and created this account because this question is something I've been thinking about. Like most of you, I am worried about the new cold war on China by the West. That said though, on the question of Tibet I feel like some people can be inconsistent or intellectually dishonest about it...

I'm not saying we should balkanize China now in 2021 and I'm not a FREE TIBET fanatic, but I find it strange how so many on the anti-imperialist left (of which I'd consider myself a member) justify the initial annexation of Tibet in the 50s. Yes, I'm aware that Tibet used to be a much more backwards-ass place, and I'm not a fan of the Dalai Lama. But is the argument that it was OK because it made Tibet a better place to live in not basically a neocon sentiment ("we're bringing freedom and democracy")? Obviously neocons are not sincere about this kind of thing, but I'm of the position that unprovoked military occupation is pretty much always wrong.

Anyways, that's what I'm thinking about. Hoping this can open up a good discussion without things getting too heated lol.

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    Sincere question about Germany:

    Hi, I’ve lurked here for a while and created this account because this question is something I’ve been thinking about. Like most of you, I am worried about the cold war on Russia by the West. That said though, on the question of Germany I feel like some people can be inconsistent or intellectually dishonest about it…

    I’m not saying we should balkanize the USSR now in 1950 and I’m not a FREE THE GDR fanatic, but I find it strange how so many on the anti-imperialist left (of which I’d consider myself a member) justify the initial invasion of Germany in the 40w. Yes, I’m aware that Germany used to be a much more backwards-ass place, and I’m not a fan of Hitler. But is the argument that it was OK because it made Germany a better place to live in not basically a neocon sentiment (“we’re bringing freedom and democracy”)? Obviously neocons are not sincere about this kind of thing, but I’m of the position that unprovoked military occupation is pretty much always wrong.

    Anyways, that’s what I’m thinking about. Hoping this can open up a good discussion without things getting too heated lol.

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      Can people who copypasta just admit that it is the posting equivalent of repeating what the person was saying in a dumb voice to make them feel bad? Rather than try to hang onto the delusion that it's "funny" or "clever" or even an "homage". Just be honest with yourself and admit that its lazy, unfunny, and really quite mean.

      Especially to someone who is asking an honest question and wants to have a conversation.

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        Can people who copypasta just admit that it is the posting equivalent of repeating what the person was saying in a dumb voice to make them feel bad? Rather than try to hang onto the delusion that it’s “funny” or “clever” or even an “homage”. Just be honest with yourself and admit that its lazy, unfunny, and really quite mean.

        Especially to someone who is asking an honest question and wants to have a conversation.

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        Look man if ya can’t tell the difference between liberating the subjugated peoples of a slave state and imperialists making an excuse to invade a country for oil, I dunno what to tell ya. But I don’t wanna be a dick so also here’s an article

        • highlevelquestionask [none/use name]
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          I'll check out the article. And to be clear I don't think what China did to Tibet is even remotely as bad as what the US does all around the globe, just seems a bit iffy to me. Like I said, I'm not a FREE TIBET guy.

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      Tbh this is such a bizarre comparison to me I'm struggling to hold it together in my mind. It seems to imply the USSR invaded Germany on its own initiative to stop the Holocaust, or Tibet invaded China first and China was just fighting back after whatever its equivalent of Belarus is had one third of its population massacred by the Tibetans. Am I missing something

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        Am I missing something

        It's just pointless shit-flinging at OP for being insufficiently ML.

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          Well yes, but I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt that maybe I missed something about Tibet's Lebensraum ambitions lmao

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      Sincere question about the CSA:

      Hi, I’ve lurked here for a while and created this account because this question is something I’ve been thinking about. Like most of you, I am worried about the overthrow of Reconstruction by the South. That said though, on the question of the Confederacy I feel like some people can be inconsistent or intellectually dishonest about it…

      I’m not saying we should balkanize the USA now in 1900 and I’m not a THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN fanatic, but I find it strange how so many on the anti-imperialist left (of which I’d consider myself a member) justify the initial annexation of the South in the 60s. Yes, I’m aware that the South used to be a much more backwards-ass place, and I’m not a fan of Lincoln. But is the argument that it was OK because it made the South a better place to live in not basically a neocon sentiment (“we’re bringing freedom and democracy”)? Obviously neocons are not sincere about this kind of thing, but I’m of the position that unprovoked military occupation is pretty much always wrong.

      Anyways, that’s what I’m thinking about. Hoping this can open up a good discussion without things getting too heated lol.