And realise it's not good for me to be this invested in your dumb affairs. Yet here we are.
The "he's embarrassing us in front of the cool kids" contingent: https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1344652899771707393?s=19
https://twitter.com/onesarahjones/status/1344702225675857922?s=19
https://twitter.com/Dan_Arrows/status/1344684216446054403?s=19
The "this isn't how you do politics" division https://twitter.com/nataliesurely/status/1344658566477709313?s=19
The "People should never be yelled at or be angry, especially if it's a white man doing it" battalion https://twitter.com/Vanessa_ABee/status/1344670081436033026?s=19
https://twitter.com/katewillett/status/1344741111563243520?s=19
The "he has an expensive house" partisans https://twitter.com/JaneOst_/status/1344699611689185280?s=19
The Means_TV crew making a prescedant https://twitter.com/ChiJohnnyCash/status/1344663683327283200?s=19
You can probably find more. The question you should ask yourself why is there a vacuum in the conversation for Jimmy to fill in the first place? Why aren't your "progressives" the ones leading?
The only good thing in the quoted thread is this:
https://twitter.com/asankawlk/status/1344644783801655298?s=19
And Dore is right when he says you should treat your politicians like civil servants. They are not you friends.
When it was about showing the progressive caucus had power or getting congresspeople to record their position more formally, ok, I could understand that to a degree.
But this is just pure, uncut nonsense. There is absolutely nothing the progressives in office right now can do to deliver M4A. We don't have the votes. There is zero reason to direct objectively unreasonable tantrums like this at anyone even kind of on our side.
If you're a communist/socialist/anarchist/whatever, then no one in the US democratic party are "kind of on our side".
They are our enemies.
Anyone who's at least willing to seriously criticize capitalism is on our side. Setting the bar any higher is a fast track to One True Leftist territory, and loses sight of the fact that we need to convince tens of millions of people who aren't currently leftists to become leftists if we're going to get anything done. We might as well give up now and just grill if we're calling elected officials pushing M4A and the Green New Deal our enemies.
water down leftism into nothingness and wonder why you can't get anything done.
Who said anything about watering leftism down? This is about who we should consider far enough along to work with, not about what leftism is.
The two most powerful anti-socialist political parties on the planet are the US cons and the US dems. That's just an objective fact.
If you want to believe that one of them are not our enemies because they are ever so slightly to the left of the other one, go right ahead. I'll be over here laughing.
Democrats in general are not on our side, but Democrats who will seriously criticize capitalism are.
You don't "criticize capitalism".
You're either against capitalism, or you're for capitalism. Socialism or barbarism.
This approach actively frustrates attempts to turn people into socialists. Writing off everyone who's not already 100% in agreement with you is a failing strategy.
People don't just wake up one day and decide they're a socialist. It's a process of seeing the failures of capitalism, hearing some ideas about alternatives, getting some theoretical grounding, working through the century of anticommunist propaganda this country's been subjected to, educating oneself on leftist approaches to all sorts of topics, and so forth. At some point in this pipeline people are willing to criticize capitalism, if not abandon it entirely, and those people are worth working with and pulling closer to us.
Yes, now is the time to push anti-capitalist rheotric.
Not "this is corrupt" not "well more regulation".
Anti-capitalism. Radical fucking leftism.
I agree, but that's not really what we're talking about here.
I'm talking about the "progressive" grifters in the US dem party. Politicians with a position in the system.
Not your friend or family member who's a cashier at the local grocery store, who voted for Biden because it seemed like the right thing to do.
Progressive democrats are one of the major gateways to leftism. Cutting off a key pipeline left is a terrible idea.
EDIT: Shit, take a look through this thread. Progressive democrats play a valuable role in moving people left -- they're lib-safe, they're pushing popular policies that leftists support, and once people wrap their heads around the idea that socialism isn't some boogeyman they can move left pretty fast.