I have only seen national DSA leadership oppose the idea or turn it into a personality contest with Jimmy Dore.

How is that democratic at all?! They are openly contradicting the democratically-decided party line…

What an absolutely shit organization.

Here's the quote:

2019 presents a unique opportunity for the Democratic Socialists for Medicare for All campaign: to be a key player in pushing HR 1384, the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, to a vote in the House of Representatives. DSA is not alone in this work. National Nurses United, along with nearly 30 other national and local unions and progressive organizations are coordinating to take advantage of this moment. Since Bernie Sanders’ presidential run in 2016, single-payer advocates have been successfully turning Medicare for All into a litmus test for politicians. A floor vote in the House will force representatives to finally reveal whether they’re on the side of healthcare profiteers or the side of the working class.

  • PhaseFour [he/him]
    3·
    4 years ago

    Personally, all I see is leftists shitting on each other and that this is where disappointment and anger will go.

    I'm going to vent on an anonymous forum about the DSA contradicting their platform. That isn't organizing.

    What organizing spaces are you in the forcing the vote? Are you just on Twitter and here? I don't really trust your perspective on this issue given the way you have talked about it.

    The timing is a very big part of why this whole thing is counterproductive.

    How is seizing on a moment "counterproductive." This political tactic was discovered 12 days ago. That shouldn't change peoples' support for an obviously progressive political issue.

      • PhaseFour [he/him]
        1·
        4 years ago

        I don’t know what you mean but I’m in a few socialist orgs that I’ll avoid mentioning to avoid even slight doxxing. Keep opsec up, up, up!

        I mean, what are the political organizations through which you are interacting with Force the Vote? Or is your understanding of the issue limited to consuming Leftist theater?

        Okay, so what in your experience leads you to believe that the personally dismissive nature of this discourse (which you’re getting close to, now) leads you to believe that its guaranteed failure will find a different outlet?

        I do not care about "the discourse." I care about how political organizations are engaging with an opportunity to get a floor vote for M4A in the next couple months.

        Speaker / minority leader selection is a scheduled event.

        The margins in the House have been known since mid-December. This tactic makes no sense unless the DSA-affilates can without their vote to further their org's strategy. Re: "This political tactic was discovered 12 days ago", in mid-December.

          • PhaseFour [he/him]
            2·
            4 years ago

            I’m not attempting to force the vote at this particular moment at all because of the reasons I’ve already given…

            Then I don't understand the point you are making. You are observing political theater. You are not trying to engage with this effort. It doesn't sound like you disagree with this characterization.

            Remember how I said the contribution of this discourse was pointless, personally dismissive infighting?

            Then stop contributing to "the discourse" lol

            Determine the degree to which you feel this is a political opportunity, then act accordingly.

            The discourse is the entirety of this tactic. It is atomized yelling on the internet.

            No it literally is not.

            There are demonstrations planned. There are people reaching out to constituents, elected officials, and various political organizations to make use of this moment. You can disagree with these tactics, but people are putting in work.

            Again, you are only engaging with the online discourse, and you are projecting.

            Horse trading over speaker / monitory leader happens every single term and Dore et al were talking about this in late November.

            People are responding to the fact that, in mid-December, an unlikely situation occurred - the Speaker margin is such that DSA-affiliates can publicly extract concessions. That, and the DSA-affiliates have no intention of extracting concessions.

            I support people in their effort to demand that DSA-affiliates extract concessions from Pelosi by publicly withholding their vote for her.

            That opportunity doesn’t exist because this tactic ensured its own failure.

            The Bernie campaign was an ensured failure and it created an opportunity for political organizing. These are not mutually exclusive.