I have only seen national DSA leadership oppose the idea or turn it into a personality contest with Jimmy Dore.
How is that democratic at all?! They are openly contradicting the democratically-decided party line…
What an absolutely shit organization.
Here's the quote:
2019 presents a unique opportunity for the Democratic Socialists for Medicare for All campaign: to be a key player in pushing HR 1384, the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, to a vote in the House of Representatives. DSA is not alone in this work. National Nurses United, along with nearly 30 other national and local unions and progressive organizations are coordinating to take advantage of this moment. Since Bernie Sanders’ presidential run in 2016, single-payer advocates have been successfully turning Medicare for All into a litmus test for politicians. A floor vote in the House will force representatives to finally reveal whether they’re on the side of healthcare profiteers or the side of the working class.
My first comment in this thread. I don't see anything particularly condescending here. I want to work with people who want to fight for health care during a pandemic.
Your response to me.
I can read. You have been a condescending prick from the beginning.
You are projecting a lot of weird hang-ups you have onto me. It's weird. Your rant here is embarrassing.
You're begging me to dox my political and labor work to demonstrate that normal people support an unequivocal demand for health care during a pandemic. I can't think of any other reason to say slanderous shit about me.
Your actual first condescending comment in the thread, wherein you purposely misrepresent the strategy that had been put forward, in which the plan to force the vote came at the end of the strategy after the power necessary to actually leverage it had been built, not jump right to the vote and hope that a movement would magically coalesce around it like a cargo cult.
Lol, no, I'm not the ultra here. I'm the one interested in building actual working class power and helping deliver real concrete gains for the working class. And I know from my life that takes a lot of dirty, boring, unsexy work that people like you aren't willing to do.
Lmao, get over yourself. You are trying to run a influence op on the Democratic party. You don't do anything worth knowing about.
Stop trying to equate this with the idea that they support your or believe in your because of it.
I'm calling out people who are openly contradicting a political line the DSA decided on in 2019. This was not "after a campaign." The forced vote is clearly mentioned in the introduction, with no prerequisites. The only change is that DSA-affiliates can force a M4A vote now.
I'm not condescending here. I'm openly voicing my disdain for the unaccountability in DSA.
Somehow demanding that Congress provide people health care in a pandemic is contradictory with any other type of organizing?
How is this an influence op for Democrats? It is rejected by every Democrat besides Lee Carter.
Also, if you hate anything that may look like an "influence op for Democrats", I'm really curious what your involvement in the labor movement looks like. 90% of labor unions would be beyond the pale.
Meanwhile you post self-flagellating garbage like "[I'm] building actual working class power and helping deliver real concrete gains for the working class." You can do that while advocating people get health care during a pandemic.
You're absolutely right about everything in this discussion.
This entire situation has been so jarring.
I'm saying the exact same things DSA & the DSA-affiliates in Congress were saying six months ago. The only thing that has changed is that the DSA-affiliates have the political power to force a vote on M4A.
I'm getting major 2008 vibes these days, when DSA gave cover for Obama.
I didn't know they did that, seeing what's happening, that's not very promising.
I do want to make the nuance that a lot of people in DSA seem to be supporting this, and DSA before and after Bernie's 2016 run is a different organisation.
Anyway, I made my initial comment because I thought it was unfair that you got so much vitriol for simply defending an idea that I thought that was already accepted on the left.
Yeah, it's the DSA-affiliates in elected office, news outlets like Jacobin, and progressive think tanks have had a lot of influence setting the narrative.
The rank-and-file has either been supportive or misinformed. Most people were unaware that AOC & DSA have advocated a floor vote for years.
I appreciate it.