If you're making excuses as to why AOC shouldn't be using the pelosi vote as leverage you're an absolute loser just FYI. If she's not gonna put herself on the line when people are dying she never will.
Nothing is going to look like enough until we get some big material improvement, and progressives don't have the power to force that right now. Even forcing Pelosi out as Speaker (which would be a lot more complicated than how it's been presented) wouldn't actually do anything material for anyone. All progressives can do right now is play for small wins that might help later, and that's what this is.
A reasonable comparison is the DNC rules changes Bernie pushed through in the wake of the 2016 primary. Did it get him elected? Did it pass any material policy? No, but he didn't have the power to do that stuff anyways, and four years later it kept Democrats from pulling the same "give the favored candidate an enormous superdelegate lead right out of the gate" strategy that neutered Bernie's 2016 campaign before it began.
Who are you quoting? AOC and the DSA both were organizing floor vote initiatives the whole time, not for vague rule changes that you didn't even fucking know about 3 days ago
AOC tweeted out this exact rule change a few days ago (maybe a week ago?) as an alternative to a losing floor vote. You also know about the PAYGO rule if you read anything on MMT.
Y'all have the memory of goldfish lmao. In 2018 the challenge to Pelosi's speakership was from her right. You might be able to make an argument if you really really struggled to say that removing Pelosi would be worth it. But I don't think having a younger ghoul with even worse politics potentially lead the congressional Democrats for a couple decades would be worth it at all. AOC made the right call no matter how angry Pelosi makes you.
It's funny how everyone who says like, "we need to do #forcethevote in order to organize and build a coalition" then immediately turns around and pushes away anyone who's not immediately on board.
lol, she got nothing, an exception to paygo for gnd and covid (not even m4a), couldn't even get the rule stricken and she's on twitter bragging like she actually did something when its obvious Pelosi just handed her som table scraps so she can perform for the low information voters and keep her seat.
If you're making excuses as to why AOC shouldn't be using the pelosi vote as leverage you're an absolute loser just FYI. If she's not gonna put herself on the line when people are dying she never will.
She shouldn't be using it for leverage; she should be using it to vote out Pelosi.
Dream on, the first thing she did when she joined congress was vote for Pelosi as speaker after telling Glenn Greenwald she wouldn't.
Watch her vote for her again and get nothing for it. At least getting her to extract some concession for it would be a step.
She just got the PAYGO rule scrapped, so there you go.
You really believe that means anything?
"Progressives need to get a concession"
Gets a concession
"Well that one doesn't count"
Nothing is going to look like enough until we get some big material improvement, and progressives don't have the power to force that right now. Even forcing Pelosi out as Speaker (which would be a lot more complicated than how it's been presented) wouldn't actually do anything material for anyone. All progressives can do right now is play for small wins that might help later, and that's what this is.
A reasonable comparison is the DNC rules changes Bernie pushed through in the wake of the 2016 primary. Did it get him elected? Did it pass any material policy? No, but he didn't have the power to do that stuff anyways, and four years later it kept Democrats from pulling the same "give the favored candidate an enormous superdelegate lead right out of the gate" strategy that neutered Bernie's 2016 campaign before it began.
Who are you quoting? AOC and the DSA both were organizing floor vote initiatives the whole time, not for vague rule changes that you didn't even fucking know about 3 days ago
AOC tweeted out this exact rule change a few days ago (maybe a week ago?) as an alternative to a losing floor vote. You also know about the PAYGO rule if you read anything on MMT.
Y'all have the memory of goldfish lmao. In 2018 the challenge to Pelosi's speakership was from her right. You might be able to make an argument if you really really struggled to say that removing Pelosi would be worth it. But I don't think having a younger ghoul with even worse politics potentially lead the congressional Democrats for a couple decades would be worth it at all. AOC made the right call no matter how angry Pelosi makes you.
Yeah good point.
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It's funny how everyone who says like, "we need to do #forcethevote in order to organize and build a coalition" then immediately turns around and pushes away anyone who's not immediately on board.
She literally already did?
lol, she got nothing, an exception to paygo for gnd and covid (not even m4a), couldn't even get the rule stricken and she's on twitter bragging like she actually did something when its obvious Pelosi just handed her som table scraps so she can perform for the low information voters and keep her seat.
Given that Force The Vote is asking for even less than that, I don't see why that's relevant.
also low information voters, aka people who know what paygo is. clearly. Yes. Makes sense.
people who have their information served up to them by the boutique left grifters
So Jimmy Dore?
lol try harder
House rule changes are how you keep low information voters happy