• Nakoichi [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    This is stupid. There is just as much evidence it came from Fort Detrick.

    For the record I don't think it came from either.

    • The Octonaut@mander.xyz
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      1 year ago

      I don't know why anyone is still talking about a lab outbreak in Wuhan because of the wet market nearby being suspected in mid December, when we know for sure that Covid was in Italy in September/October and possibly as early as May. The world just shrugged at this info because faecal treatment samples aren't as interesting as as bat soup and bioterrorism.

      • Infamousblt [any]
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        1 year ago

        Racism mostly. Easier to just be racist against the Chinese than to admit COVID is the result of something more nuanced and systemic

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Nobody has a problem with Chinese people.

            https://www.yahoo.com/video/tucker-carlson-guest-military-doesnt-193556601.html

            • InvertedParallax@lemm.ee
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              Yeah, and hitler didn't like jews.

              It's tucker fucking Carlson, duh.

              Ask him about gay people and immigrants next.

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                The clip is actually mainly about his guest, but anyway my point is that your claim was clearly false.

          • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            “We don’t hate the Chinese just the government that they like and has made their people prosperous.”

            Check what happened to the Russians after the Soviet Union fell and tell me it’s not hate to wish that on the Chinese next.

              • TheGamingLuddite [none/use name]
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                What does it mean to "break" a people?

                The Chinese people were certainly already "broken" in 1949. They had undergone a century of collapse, most were illiterate, women were essentially chattel, and every single grain of wheat or rice more than what was required to keep them alive was stolen by unelected landlords.

                The communists took power and every single one of them was taught to read, women were enfranchised, no-fault divorce and abortion were legalized, political rights were expanded, opium and gangs were chased out of the mainland and the feudal lords were held to account.

                30 years after the revolution they had turned a society of feudal peasants into a nuclear power, 30 years after that and it's the world's largest economy by PPP.

                The same things can be said about the Bolsheviks, who defeated a nazi army which sought to annihilate them.

              • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                "I'm not racist, nobody has a problem with Chinese people."

                "Also, the Chinese are wild animals that were broken and domesticated."

                Okay there, buckaroo. Keep telling yourself that.

                • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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                  1 year ago

                  stalin-comical-spoon going around people's houses, knocking on doors and telling them that stroganoff had to be made with pork now to break them mentally. it's true, my grandma told me cri

              • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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                I'm not racist, but here's my thoughts generalizing entire populations of millions as "weak people" because of their Asiatic brainpans.

          • Infamousblt [any]
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            1 year ago

            And by every major polling organizations metrics the Chinese people overwhelmingly approve of the CPC.

            Typical westoid wants to destroy a government that is liked by it's people. What's your countries government approval rating? Do you want to overthrow your government too?

    • TheFriar@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      That’s the thing, the COVID conspiracy people now posting this shirt saying, “SEE!?! IT WAS LAB LEAK!!” as if that justifies every single other insane thing they’ve ever said about COVID. Because there’s a huge difference between “covid CAME FROM a lab” and “lab leak possible origin.” One implies conspiracy, the other implies carelessness. What’s the old saying? ‘Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to greed?’ I very much think the same applies to stupidity—and honestly, in this case, greed probably caused the stupidity. How much funding-slashing has led to calamity in recent times? Plenty.

      • itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com
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        1 year ago

        I think the lab with a long record of carelessness leaking the virus by accident is entirely plausible if not the most reasonable explanation. The issue is not so much about how/when it was leaked, but more along the lines of how poorly they handled the whole situation and subsequent coverup. For all we know, it could have been leaked by accident way earlier.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          I think the lab with a long record of carelessness leaking the virus by accident is entirely plausible if not the most reasonable explanation

          I personally don't think it came from Detrick, but I don't fault you for thinking so

          • itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com
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            1 year ago

            It came from the lab in Wuhan, not Detrick. We shall never really know since every govt, especially China will deny and cover up the truth.

            • CombatLiberalism [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              It didn't come from a lab in Wuhan, it was first discovered in Wuhan but was already going around in Italy for months at that point based on waste samples.

              The point was that we have just as much evidence to say it came from Detrick as we do to say it came from a Chinese lab. It most likely didn't come from either, but only one of these conspiracies gets pushed. If you provide any pushback that maybe China isn't responsible for COVID you get met with "well they would lie and cover it up, so I might as well be right"

        • jonne@infosec.pub
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          1 year ago

          Yeah, I don't really have any issues with accepting a lab leak possibility, but the lab leak people generally add a whole bunch of other conspiracies on top of that (it was designed as a bioweapon, leaked intentionally, etc), and nobody can really explain why this would be any good as a bioweapon if it hurts you as much as your enemies, and if you release it without having a vaccine for it.

          • itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com
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            1 year ago

            I think the bio weapon part is from people who don’t understand what research is going on lab. They hear “gain of function” research and immediately think Resident Evil type bio weapon.

            Not that I agree that type of research is good for us to be doing in the first place. But I do understand the reason we do that type if research is to learn about viruses and how to combat them as they mutate. I think it’s stupid to be doing that type of research anywhere, especially finding China.

            • notacat@mander.xyz
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              1 year ago

              “Gain of function” is an extremely broad category that is an absolutely necessary part of molecular biology research.