A term taken from a Chinese proverb about opportunity in a crisis, ‘touching fish’ means being lazy at work – a philosophy China’s Generation Z workers increasingly embrace as a response to being underpaid and overworked.
Wow have you ever read Lenin? The initial stages of socialism resemble state capitalism, since socialism emerges out of capitalism. Because they don’t leap to full communism, we must condemn!
The trends are in the right direction. Everything is going according to plan. Just chill the fuck out chauvinist. Have some patience and some solidarity.
It's not chauvinist to criticize material conditions.
What's the point of having a communist party if you are going to allow capitalist working conditions and exploitation? Just pull a USSR and collapse so capitalism can run it's natural course if that's really your take.
Anyway, for me the material argument that dominates a lot of this is that china is still developing.
We see they passed the US by some metrics and the constant fear mongering in the US and I feel like I forget that sometimes. If something like poor conditions for otherwise well off tech workers takes time to address because there are still worse problems sucking up attention that makes sense. Workers fighting back also makes sense.
Conditions are improving year over year. What’s the point of being a communist if you demand instant perfection and ignore the real results in front of your face?
When people start making implications that the Chinese capitalists are in control and that the communist party is doing nothing about it, that’s when it is devolving into China Bad and breaching solidarity
Conditions are improving year over year in America. Like, literally go look up any statistics. Does that make it good? Does that mean you can't criticize America without being a chauvinist?
You are literally just using neoliberal platitudes like "expanding health care access" and it's just as bullshit. There are no downsides to better worker protections except the loss of profits to capitalists. You're talking about being a good materialist elsewhere, but for SOME REASON ignoring a basic economic motivation for the actual conditions. Hmmm......
Wages, conditions and actual hours worked by employed individuals are worsening in America. As is poverty. Literally the exact opposite trends as China
Wait, so you agree that wages and conditions are improving in America, but you're arguing elsewhere it's the opposite? What? Also, poverty has been decreasing yearly (likely temporarily) in America. So no.
K cool so you're going to double down and ignore the fact that you are lying about poverty rates I guess.
Also, just so you know, I can literally pick from any inarguably capitalist country in place of America, and my point would still stand. Any country where these metrics are improving. You would undoubtedly say that there is reason to criticize them, and it wouldn't make sense to try to shut down discussion. But for some reason you think differently here.
But the fact remains that a lot of workers are subjected to poor working conditions and the only explanation, as a materialist, is that it serves the ruling class. You can not argue that lol
Worker protections, wages and conditions are all skyrocketing. Again, you need to take a materialist look at the before and after and the big picture trends
There’s a difference between criticizing specific aspects of the Chinese revolution and throwing the entire thing under the bus. Your rhetoric is literally just parroting western talking points, so yes that’s chauvinism
Wow have you ever read Lenin? The initial stages of socialism resemble state capitalism, since socialism emerges out of capitalism. Because they don’t leap to full communism, we must condemn!
The trends are in the right direction. Everything is going according to plan. Just chill the fuck out chauvinist. Have some patience and some solidarity.
It's not chauvinist to criticize material conditions.
What's the point of having a communist party if you are going to allow capitalist working conditions and exploitation? Just pull a USSR and collapse so capitalism can run it's natural course if that's really your take.
Anyway, for me the material argument that dominates a lot of this is that china is still developing.
We see they passed the US by some metrics and the constant fear mongering in the US and I feel like I forget that sometimes. If something like poor conditions for otherwise well off tech workers takes time to address because there are still worse problems sucking up attention that makes sense. Workers fighting back also makes sense.
Conditions are improving year over year. What’s the point of being a communist if you demand instant perfection and ignore the real results in front of your face?
I'm not, making improvements is good.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't examine and question.
Learn so much more about China on here from discussion and reading. it's good as long as we don't let it devolve into "China bad".
When people start making implications that the Chinese capitalists are in control and that the communist party is doing nothing about it, that’s when it is devolving into China Bad and breaching solidarity
Conditions are improving year over year in America. Like, literally go look up any statistics. Does that make it good? Does that mean you can't criticize America without being a chauvinist?
You are literally just using neoliberal platitudes like "expanding health care access" and it's just as bullshit. There are no downsides to better worker protections except the loss of profits to capitalists. You're talking about being a good materialist elsewhere, but for SOME REASON ignoring a basic economic motivation for the actual conditions. Hmmm......
Wages, conditions and actual hours worked by employed individuals are worsening in America. As is poverty. Literally the exact opposite trends as China
Wait, so you agree that wages and conditions are improving in America, but you're arguing elsewhere it's the opposite? What? Also, poverty has been decreasing yearly (likely temporarily) in America. So no.
They are not. Wages and conditions are stagnant or worsening in America. Sorry I’ll edit it to clarify that
K cool so you're going to double down and ignore the fact that you are lying about poverty rates I guess.
Also, just so you know, I can literally pick from any inarguably capitalist country in place of America, and my point would still stand. Any country where these metrics are improving. You would undoubtedly say that there is reason to criticize them, and it wouldn't make sense to try to shut down discussion. But for some reason you think differently here.
But the fact remains that a lot of workers are subjected to poor working conditions and the only explanation, as a materialist, is that it serves the ruling class. You can not argue that lol
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When did Chapo become synonymous with tone policed respectability? I’ll have whatever tone I like
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Yes, let the hate flow through you
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Just come to the dirtbag side already it’s more fun. I feel like this place has a stick up it’s ass and is way too uptight
And you can't have better worker protections in a state capitalist system, where the state can dictate what flies or doesn't fly?
Come on.
Worker protections, wages and conditions are all skyrocketing. Again, you need to take a materialist look at the before and after and the big picture trends
I guess we'll better agree to disagree.
Have solidarity or gtfo
Solidarity with whom the Chinese capitalist exploiting their employees?
With the communist revolution of China. Please be a chauvinist on Reddit, you will find many friends there to jerk off about China bad.
Are you even serious anymore, can't question anything China does or you're a chauvinist?
Okay, buddy.
There’s a difference between criticizing specific aspects of the Chinese revolution and throwing the entire thing under the bus. Your rhetoric is literally just parroting western talking points, so yes that’s chauvinism