It literally does mean that, the question is how closely this sites' values allign with the dirtbag left. Amber Frost coined the term to describe chapotraphouse-adjacent people who were on the left but were mean to other people on the left on the internet.
You can have a polite and affirming community or a dirtbag no-holds romp, and there is definitely a place for both, but there's no way to square the circle and get a community that is always nice to the right people and mean to the right people; that is not a fixed point in the slightest.
this is exactly it. although i would also argue that a" positive and affirming community" (a civil one) has its own methods of social control its just forced into passive aggressiveness
Either path self-selects it's own audience; the romp will drive people away, and so will the safe space (using that word non-ironically and respectfully).
Its a problem with the internet and a problem with the 'dirtbag left' as a concept, I mean how many people get pissed about stuff the hosts of chapotraphouse say online? Their whole thing is being rude and shitting on people. And they came up with the term to describe that
It literally does mean that, the question is how closely this sites' values allign with the dirtbag left. Amber Frost coined the term to describe chapotraphouse-adjacent people who were on the left but were mean to other people on the left on the internet.
You can have a polite and affirming community or a dirtbag no-holds romp, and there is definitely a place for both, but there's no way to square the circle and get a community that is always nice to the right people and mean to the right people; that is not a fixed point in the slightest.
this is exactly it. although i would also argue that a" positive and affirming community" (a civil one) has its own methods of social control its just forced into passive aggressiveness
Either path self-selects it's own audience; the romp will drive people away, and so will the safe space (using that word non-ironically and respectfully).
i think the community should be allowed to self determine that, which it will do all on its own as it finds its identity
The issue has become so thoroughly moralized at this point that there's going to be acrimony no matter what.
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Its a problem with the internet and a problem with the 'dirtbag left' as a concept, I mean how many people get pissed about stuff the hosts of chapotraphouse say online? Their whole thing is being rude and shitting on people. And they came up with the term to describe that
The issue is there's no clear delineation of an 'acceptable' target. Everyone is all for being mean to the bad people, but who are the bad people?
Or even shitting on the good people with the bad takes; what level of bad take justifies it?
It gets even dicier when you add to that the fact that a funny criticism is more acceptable than unfunny criticism.
Oh man when anyone here actually manages to be funny that's gonna set off one hell of a struggle session.
Amber.