All the posts and statements going on with lines like "this woman is dead b/c if trump" or describing the incident as tragic are wild.
Maybe someone here can talk me off this point.
I get that a family lost a loved one but I just don't care?
Why should I feel sympathy for a QAnon freak who would kill me?
You don't have to sympathize with her to think the killing was wrong, and indicative of bad things.
If you can handle it, watch the video of the shooting. She was unarmed, attacking nobody, and killed without any warning for trying to climb through a broken window. Police made absolutely no attempt to subdue her using non-lethal force. I don’t care if she was a Qanon psycho vet any more than I care about the potential criminal/drug use history of anyone else executed by the pigs. All that matters is that in isolation; it was murder, and nothing else.
Moreover; it’s a bit disturbing seeing Radlibs justify that shooting by adopting the exact same talking points used to justify the police killings of so many others. As though the act of committing any crime automatically entitles agents of the state to shoot you dead. You can even saw plenty of r/politics Libs say things like “win stupid prizes” in response.
I have a take on this similar to Matt Christman’s one on Ruby Ridge. Just because someone can be seen as a ‘bad person’ who believes ‘bad ideas’ doesn’t mean one should defend unjustifiable killings of them by a infinitely worse state apparatus.
Ruby Ridge is incomparable to this.
She's a psycho fascist who died attacking the US Capitol. That's it. I have no sympathy for her, I'm glad she's fucking dead.
edit; Agree it's indicative of bad things. All of yesterday is going to lead to awful awful things.
She was a veteran aka someone trained and employed to do violence against enemies of the state.
And then she decided to stand against the state and didn't think that the state would react against her.
This is just stupid.
I'm sorry, I respect some of your point of view for sure, but I watched that on the livestream at the time, have seen the footage again several times including stabilised and synced from multiple angles, and I honestly don't understand how anyone could expect anything different from what happened in moment.
She's part of a mob storming the capital building. Some of the mob was armed. There were reports of explosive devices being found at the RNC & DNC. Lawmakers and staff were still being evacuated from the building and the person who shot her is clearly a Secret Service agent.
The Secret Service has barricaded that door, the agent had his gun drawn for ages, and was presumably only there as opposed to with whoever's detail he was on to hold some sort of perimeter.
There was lots of shouts to stay back from both sides of the doors with cops and Trump people literally pulling others back to stop them trying to get through the broken windows and get themselves shot. She ignores them and goes through and the Secret Service agent shoots her before she's on basically right on top of them.
It's absolutely the fault of the cops for not getting a handle on the situation, even encouraging it, and not stopping her from going through, but if you're the Secret Service agent and your entire job is to make sure the crowd doesn't breach that door to protect the most powerful people in the country the fact that the regular cops aren't doing anything is going to make you more likely to shoot, not less, because you don't see another option.
And to be clear, I don't accept the state's monopoly on violence, I don't feel sorry for the Secret Service agent, I don't even really care about the ghouls he was there to protect, and I don't ever want to see unarmed people gunned down whether it's by drooling frontline pigs or members of the secret service.
But this was exactly the worst case scenario that the secret service exist and are trained for. The idea that it was going to or could have played out any other way seems absurd to me.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, but this whole thing is obviously an awful clusterfuck and I didn't want to post some short reply that seemed glib like some of the attitudes you mentioned in your post.
Cop had a gun out and pointed in her direction for several seconds before firing. There was some warning, a warning that a person of color would have never got.
That doesn't justify anything, but we don't need to begin twisting the facts in favor of fascists.
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You're a true leftist and by that metric let the record show that I must be a fucking lib
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