• Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    I would hope it's the puritanical work ethic; where Americans find themselves performing their labor with a sense of duty, and later bragging about how much more of the burden they could take when drinking with the comrades.

    • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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      4 years ago

      If we somehow had a real (and relatively smooth) transition to socialism, it would mean the end of a lot of bullshit jobs and a relatively open path to full automation. It would still be a long time until full automation can be achieved, and we'd have a lot of work to do for climate change preparation/mitigation, but it would at least remove the incentive to force people into working more hours than they need to.

  • krothotkin [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Honestly, probably yee haw anarchism. I firmly believe that most Americans are more receptive to anarchist ideology than MLism. This is a somewhat biased take considering it's based on where I grew up, which was rural and super anti-government; maybe things are different for city natives. Even then there's municipal :LIB: ertarianism, though, which I've often found people to be very receptive to because it seems superficially benign.

    Other potential aspects:

    • Absolute rejection of traditional leftist icons like Marx or Kropotkin. Lots of gross praise for (and recharacterization of) founding fathers.
    • Mandatory public service after high school. Not necessarily with the military; would likely see options for industrial work, possibly as a way to cut down on infrastructure costs, and also an option for fighting the massive fires that continue to appear every summer. Rich kids would somehow get an exception.
    • Continued struggles with immigration issues.
    • Increasingly decentralized agriculture, with municipalities beginning their own agricultural production efforts.
    • Public housing that sucks and is poorly maintained, but probably more of it. People who live in public housing are still stigmatized.
    • Drugs. Lots of drugs.
    • Religiosity, free speech, and firearms.
    • Bitter conflict with the Southern states, which resent the new form of government and are always on the verge of forming a breakaway.
    • Universal healthcare that is expensive as shit because there's a public option but medicines/other medical technologies are still produced privately and sold to the government at inflated costs.
      • REallyN [she/her,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        I think it would be easier to portray these people and communist/socialist as an extension of the revolution of the founder's/the american project, then it would be to get people to reject the founders wholecloth.

        • gammison [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          That's partially the argument aziz Rana makes in the two faces of American freedom, that radicalizing republicanism in a truly emancipatory way is socialism, and there's a variety of forgotten American socialist figures to draw from for that.

      • gammison [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I mean don't forget people like William manning and Thomas Skidmore, Skidmores working man's party in 1830 directly inspired marx to some extent.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Absolute rejection of traditional leftist icons like Marx or Kropotkin

      I'm chuckling at the idea that any American who isn't already a leftist having any clue who tf Kropotkin is...

    • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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      4 years ago

      Continued struggles with immigration issues.

      This wouldn't be popular with chuds, but I'd love to see a long term plan for a larger socialist union in the western hemisphere. The western hemisphere alone has almost every resource needed for an advanced socialist society that encompasses everyone, especially with an efficient system of democratic, decentralized (where it makes sense), and AI-assisted economic planning. Without the capitalist US/CIA to interfere with socialist revolutions in Latin America, this wouldn't be that far-fetched.

      Also, imagine a free high speed rail network that spans the entire hemisphere, including passport-free travel from one country to another.

      • krothotkin [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        This would own, but I worry about whether America is capable of being a good faith member of this kind of union. Something else I should have included - continued imperialism and no sign of overseas military bases shutting down. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic, though.

  • kimilsungist [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Its about resolving the contradictions within American society. This would mean things like givingg back a lot control of the land to the natives (keep your thoughts to yourself ), reparations for black people and native americans , taking care of the opiod crisis.

    building a socialist base, which would include nationalizing Jeff bezos ballsack, and elon musks taint

    edit- what i mean to say is socialist construction should start and be focused on the most impoverished areas, which tend to be redlined districts. I get what youre saying but its gotta start somewhere and black people should be at the helm of a lot.

    • RedArmor [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      “Oh so you just wanna give free money to blacks people huh? What about us who work?” Is a response I get to reparations.

      • funkfresh [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Reparations only make sense in the context of capitalism. Using those same resources to achieve socialism has a better outcome for all

        • RedArmor [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Uplifting communities that have been disadvantaged and oppressed across racial, economic, and political lines? That’s communism sweetie

        • kimilsungist [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          what i mean to say is socialist construction should start and be focused on the most impoverished areas, which tend to be redlined districts. I get what youre saying but its gotta start somewhere and black people should be at the helm of a lot.

          • funkfresh [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Oh yeah we agree on that. Even pure class reductionist would have to as they are our most impoverished communities along with indigenous folks

      • kimilsungist [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        I SAID ITS ABOUT RESOLVING CONTRADICTIONS. YOU ARE BEING A BAIZUO SHUT THE FUCK UP

  • SeizeDameans [she/her,any]
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    4 years ago

    Even after nationalizing the fast food chains, our large sodas are still 32 oz. and our burgers are still twice as big as any in other countries...even if they are made of fake meat.

    • Washburn [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Train stations have rest stops reminiscent of the truck stops/gas stations of antiquity where you can still get a fucking 60 oz soda. Trains have cupholders to accommodate.

    • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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      4 years ago

      Sort of related, it would be interesting to see a fast-food chain that operates as a sort of networked chain of cooperatives, where profits and decision making would be split between the individual franchises and the larger national chain. The national level fund could also provide start up costs for groups of workers who want to organize a new franchise, making it much easier for a group of workers to get started.

      • SeizeDameans [she/her,any]
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        4 years ago

        Been kinda using that idea to plant little seeds in some of my coworkers. We know better on a store level what needs done but our boss's boss's boss makes the decisions because they have a fancy title. They decided, for example, that we're getting rid of orange juice because it doesn't sell in most stores. But, when the customers at our store that buy it every day bitch, the top banana isn't gonna hear it and won't get in trouble for the bad survey. Small example, but the kids I work with are pretty well indoctrinated into capitalist hierarchy bullshit. Little things like that make them think.

        • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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          4 years ago

          We know better on a store level what needs done but our boss’s boss’s boss makes the decisions because they have a fancy title.

          Yep. I see this at my work all the time as well. It's one of many reasons imo why a proper socialist system would be far more efficient than the current capitalist system. Cohesion is important, but autonomy for front line workers and their constant feedback to the larger organization would be pretty big step up from what currently exists in most large corporations. It's also probably part of the reason why worker cooperatives tend to be more productive than normal companies.

    • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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      4 years ago

      More state autonomy

      Not sure how popular this would be, but I think municipalism makes more sense in this day and age than states, especially considering how states are currently set up in the US (mostly from the legacy of slavery). Planning at the community/town/city level just seems to make more sense to me as a coherent social/geographic basis for organization and planning. States, on the other hand, are all over the place. Texas is basically 5 very different states in one, as is California. Why do we have two Dakotas? Also, why does Wyoming even exist (no offense)?

      • yoloswaggins [any]
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        4 years ago

        Super down for a municipalist framework. Perhaps loosely-organized associations of nearby cities to replace states? No real legislative power, but sort of a diplomatic group where you can air grievances and forge agreements with other cities.

        • gammison [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Hey some of the most direct political structure marx voiced support for were some form of federated communes.

  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Nationalized social media influencers

    Snapback hats as part of the Red Guard uniform

    Funding unsuccessful invasions and proxy wars in all the countries we fucked over the first time around, but on the other side now

  • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    The People's McDonalds

    A Mandatory draft but its a couple of months working The People's Fast Food