like i have literally not heard a fucking peep from him its both relaxing and horrifying lmao. like imagine what they would do to a modern day lenin.

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I don't think it's nearly that bad yet. They're incompetent and have no coherent plan or even ideological grounding. They're not close to a Beer Hall Putsch effort yet, and their theory base doesn't even have a Sorel yet, let alone a Mussolini.

    That said, there is cause to worry, there's a chance the NRx or something similar will resurge, unite the currently reeling Alt-Right and develop a coherent strategy, but this is a long term concern.

    I feel the centre is going to be our primary enemy for the next few years as the centrist neolibs LARP at having things in control and the establishment right restores power over its base using its tea party and evangelical puppets, at least until Biden really fucks up in 2022 or 2024.

    • Tatoes [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      "They’re incompetent"

      They successfully sieged the Capitol, and with the help of insiders who still have yet to be discovered. This narrative of incompetence needs to drop. Yes, some of them are buffoons, but there are competent actors among their ranks, and each action has been more targeted and more coordinated than the previous:

      1. Charlottesville = Broadly targeted at the left
      2. MAGA Bomber = Broadly targeted at perceived political enemies
      3. Michigan Statehouse = Planned forceful seizure of state infrastructure
      4. Gov Whitmer Plot = Planned political assassination
      5. Capitol Siege = ALL OF THE ABOVE

      "[Fascists] have no coherent plan or even ideological grounding"

      Fascism never does. Fascism by its very nature seeks the destruction of enemies. You cannot look into the mind of a fascist simpleton and divine any higher wisdom, because there is nothing there. It doesn't have a coherent worldview because it doesn't require one.

      "I feel the centre is going to be our primary enemy for the next few years as the centrist neolibs LARP at having things in control"

      What does this even mean? Fascism finds its most fertile ground in the petit bourgeois. If you are on the left, your goal should be to pull the center to the left, not push them into the arms of the right. The center is not your opponent, the far right is. In moments of ideological struggle, whichever way the center breaks usually dictates the terms of victory. The far right is displaying increased amounts of discipline in their actions and recruiting by appealing to base desires of bloodlust, do not waste all of your time dunking on center-left libs who would otherwise be more sympathetic to your worldview as the right continues on their campaign of indiscriminate violence.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Fascism mighr not be a totally coherent ideology as a whole, but individual strands have complex theoretical bases and coherent plans of action. Like Mussolini and Sorel wrote multiple books. I see no sign of that in the USA.

        Talk to me when they sieze a train line or a telecommunications exchange while doing any of the above. When large sections of the military and especially the civil service openly reject Biden and support them. When they have a single military trained and focused paramilitary 15,000 people strong with machine guns and mortars and armoured vehicles and a plan for what to do the week after they storm the Capitol.

        Because that's the Beer Hall Putsch and it wasn't even the most successful right wing attempt that year, let alone that decade. Nations are hard to take by force internally. Coups usually are just external reflections of an alteration of the ruling class.

        Fasicsm is not just a petit bougeois movement, it requires sections of the Haute bougeoisie to provide the capital base, usually this is a pressed national bourgoisie.

        Do you see the petit and national bourgeoisie in a position to overcome the international bourgeoisie in the US? I do not. And the IB is Biden and the Lincoln project and they are utterly ascendent right now. Maybe that will change in a year or two but I don't see it.

        Otherwise its pointless adventurism. Say they did take congress and start shooting its members. What then? What do they DO!?

        Hitler had a plan. The Kapp Putsch a few years earlier had an even better plan. Franco and Mussolini had successful plans.

        What's their plan? What would a successful version of the last week look like? They've got nothing and that's been clear since Charlottesville.