How I survived a Chinese 're-education' camp for Uighurs
www.theguardian.com
The long read: After 10 years living in France, I returned to China to sign some papers and I was locked up. For the next two years, I was systematically dehumanised, humiliated and brainwashed

a completely unsourced rant, from the same people that peddled the 'Iraq has WMD's' bullshit.

Some names have been changed.

Was Adrien Zenz one of them?

  • This [it/its]
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    4 years ago

    It sounds like you already came into the article with a conclusion drawn. Maybe consider another non-Zenz report, like this one presented by the Communist Party of India. They're staunch Marxist-Leninists, and seem to be very even-handed in their criticisms of China and the Uyghur camps.

    • BillyMays [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I think criticism is fair and I would be willing to criticize them, but this story is so obviously made up. Go read it. You’ll see

      • This [it/its]
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        4 years ago

        Her description matches even what the internal Chinese documents reveal. Do you think she faked her disappearance for two years and made this story up out of whole cloth?

        • BillyMays [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Don’t really feel like parsing the story and finding the nuggets of truth when it all seems like a ridiculous story written by western propaganda

          • Cayman [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            the real answer is to not read anything in case it might be western propaganda

            • abdul [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Especially if there’s a chance you find out the government you support is engaging in ethnic cleansing and religious persecution.

              • PowerUser [they/them]
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                4 years ago

                Does critical support not exist? The only effect of me, a person in a western country, criticising China is to support what military action that will be used ostensibly to address these, while the country I live in that actually does clearly documented war crimes gets to continue on the same path.

                • Sealand_macronation [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  The only effect of me, a person in a western country, criticising China is to support what military action

                  these radlibs claim to be anti-imperialist but they're obviously not

                • abdul [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  Why would you want to lend any form of support to religious persecution of any kind

                    • abdul [none/use name]
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                      4 years ago

                      Eh. I come to this site in spurts. It’s definitely true that Chinese religious persecution is an issue that matters a lot to me, since ultimately it’s what taught me that I’m just not a communist and have to find some other form of leftism to associate with.

                  • RedFoundry [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    You wouldn't know persecution if it actually affected you.

                  • PowerUser [they/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    Because, if you had read my post and responded in good faith, the way that religious persecution is addressed has resulted in quite a few deaths of those persecuted.

                    • abdul [none/use name]
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                      4 years ago

                      So if no one is being killed, it’s not religious persecution. Is that what you are saying

    • snackage [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      why isn't there a single link to primary sources in that article?

      Edit: There is a link to the white paper at the end of the 5th paragraph. It's only 26 pages so since we have to be serious it's better to read that before reading the CPI-ML Liberation's summary. The CPI-ML Liberation should really reconsider their CSS.

      • T_Doug [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Blatant lie. Within a few paragraphs the article links directly to an official translation of China’s 2019 White Paper On Uyghurs, and references leaked documents throughout.

        It is the White Paper which is most cited throughout the article since it aims to conclude using the PRC's own documents that

        We do not have to look further than China’s own documents and its own propaganda organs to recognize that the Chinese State is holding vast numbers of Uyghurs in concentration camps, subjecting the entire Uyghur community both inside and outside the camps to forced indoctrination, surveillance and censorship, and attempting to erase the identity and culture of the Uyghur people. China has been touting its Xinjiang model as a successful model of “counterterrorism” which the world should adopt. Certainly, Narendra Modi and his fascist regime in India, would be happy to adopt China’s Xinjiang model for Kashmir, and for minorities and dissenters in the whole of India, lock, stock, and barrel.

        • snackage [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Dude that link is so hard to parse from just normal text. I knew it was cited throughout hence my wish for the original primary source. I just expect that if you're mentioning a white paper that it would be readable somewhere. I really didn't see the link.