I don't like to jump to conclusions personally, but it looks incredibly suspicious
I've been thinking the past day or two about how this event might have been two existing faction of the "Deep State" purging a fledgling third faction. In Carl Ogelsby's The Yankee and Cowboy War he theorizes that US politics from the JFK assassination to the Nixon impeachment is defined by a struggle between, basically, Deep State factions representing the East/Northeast (Yankees) and the Southwest (Cowboys). Yankees in the present are more aligned with Democrats and Cowboys are more aligned with Republicans, I think most people would agree.
What I am proposing is that the Trump years have spawned a third faction, which I shall be calling Boaters. What's got me thinking about this is Pence's role in all of this is apparently coordinating a response to the events. I don't think Pence has ever really been part of the Boaters, as much as a concession to the Cowboys by the Boaters in return for getting to run, or getting the appearance of running, the show. He's there as a minder, and that, should the Boaters get out of control, to reassert Cowboy control.
Now that the usefulness of Trump has come to an end, having a third faction vying for power in the Deep State introduces too much instability to manage. Neither of the other two factions wants to open a second front in their war, and as such they collaborated to compromise this fledgling Boater faction and smother it in the cradle before it could really establish itself. A bunch of people in power have potentially exposed themselves if they earnestly helped organize these events.
This is just something I've been thinking about, not sure how true it is. I would be more convinced if some political actors with actual power or LEOs on the Boater side ended up facing actual consequences for their organizational efforts.
The Trump faction, whereas the Cowboys are what would now be understood as the McConnells or the Bushes of the GOP. The Boaters are more like actual fascists (if not actual fascists).
I think its just a natural schism in the republican "big tent", for a long time neolib con Republicans have been able to keep the more reactionary rightwing onboard by being seen as the only viable option for them, but with the rise of Trump and the increasing reach of far right media this far right side of the republican party sees that it doesn't need to kowtow to the neolib cons anymore to win and they can maybe even reverse the relationship.
Centre/Left wing parties have always tended to be more split in this way with vying for power between centrist neolibs and sucdems, this is the case in most western countries. It seems to me that the right in the US has just hit a point of alienation between their two main groups that they are now having similar issues to more left parties. Hopefully it will rip them apart but time will tell.
Yeah, let's not repost fascist conspiracies from fascist social media accounts. Thank you.
I'm not going to apologize for posting it tbh, but this should definitely be a part of the discussion ^
Yeah, and it's your responsibility to frame it with proper context. It makes it sus that you chose not to, or ignorant if you didn't do proper research.
I don't think its an op. They had people spread all over the building when he "appears behind police lines", there are others with helmets in the crowd, in the chaos of a shooting he complies with police and gets out of the way, just in a different direction, and then he dips out because he realizes someone just got killed next to him and he's been recorded at the front of the mob. All of this seems pretty plausible in that rabid crowd and chaos. Honestly the most suspicious thing is that he wears his mask for part of it.
Edit: Around 1:54 in the second clip, you see the woman get shot and him right behind her (he's the one with the backpack). She falls with him between her and the stairs and police immediately try to clear the area around her, sending him down the stairs.
It wasn't really a line though, the line was at the door and they abandoned it when they didn't need to hold it anymore. It looks more like the cops were just in the stairwell rather than guarding the stairs. Then around 1:54 in the second clip you can see he's right behind the woman who got shot, already on the stairs. She falls back onto the top of the stairs and the police try to clear an area around her to provide medical attention and rather than have him step over her and whoever is providing medical attention to go back into the crowd, they send him and one or two other protestors down the stairs.
Is that necessarily sus considering how lackadaisical and/or outnumbered the cops were generally?
Here you can see how the right hasn't had to evolve around protests since they never see any resistance. The only people the left trusts coming from behind the police line is after a de-arrest.
so that does look very suspicious. question tho--who is he running the op for, deep state with capitol police being read in? farther down in that twitter feed the FBI appears to have put him on their wanted posters, so are they just not in on the play?
The FBI placing a known agent provocateur on a wanted poster doesn't really threaten that agent.
yeah I was thinking this, oh hey they put him on the poster as part of the op, but also if he was working for you, seems like a dangerous move
If he's sitting in an office or police station in Virginia somewhere surrounded by feds or cops who know who he is, he's in no danger. And if he's walking around with a badge, even if some out-of-the-loop cop stops him (which he's at zero risk of anytime he's in uniform) it's more of an inconvenience than any real risk.
I mean its just like burning an asset though--he can't really be used for undercover work as easily after, and it's a specialized type of work. Like sure, they can find something else for him to do, but my understanding is you typically try and maintain cover indefinitely, having your big mug on a widely distributed digital wanted poster that internet dorks can spend hours squinting at is non-ideal. kinda like when bellingcat blows FSB dudes cover. Sure, there's loads more of those dudes waiting to go poison people, but they're specialized operatives, and don't just grow on trees... If he is truly part of an OP, my guess would be that the FBI isn't in on it, much like there was lots of internal compliance at capitol police and DHS, etc, but FBI is now dropping the hammer on participants. On the other hand, I guess the other way to look at it is that this was some informant/chud they co-opted, used like a burner phone and don't have any future plans for, in which case, the wanted poster would be intelligent to use.
this is my read also. It seems like maybe there was some fishy stuff up at the top, but the rank and file were just sorta hung out to dry, and they made choices in the moment based on the situation and/or their latent sympathies. I mean screw them generally, but from an organizational standpoint they definitely got fucked over. Must be fun to be cop and realize your "brother" law enforcement agencies aren't coming to help you or back you up... against a bunch of thin blue line supporters, no less haha.
