• Gucci_Minh [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Like at this point I just hope american comrades are buying guns, stocking up on essential goods, and making a plan to flee the country if it comes to it. Not that it'll get that bad for sure, maybe america continues on as a zombie state where the bourgeoisie accumulate more and more while the masses are so hopeless and nihilistic that there is no chance of any meaningful change as they desperately cling on to the post ww2 american dream that was sold to them, despite knowing full well the material conditions that enabled the post war golden age will never happen again. The worst case scenario isn't rapid decline, because that might actually lead to something, its continued stagnation.

    • read_freire [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Continued stagnation gives us an outside shot to organize at least. Rapid decline guarantees fascism.

      • HamManBad [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yet because of this fact, it feels like so much organizing goes into preventing the rapid decline without growing actual worker power. We're on a treadmill to hell

        • read_freire [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          putting energy into preventing rapid decline isn't organizing, that's ngo-industrial-complex shit (i.e. Sunrise, XR, etc., etc.)

          unless you're talking about mutual aid, which I'd argue is about keeping people alive so that they might organize another day; or community defense, which I'd also argue isn't about preventing rapid decline but rather defending vulnerable comrades/letting fash know that there's oppo

          I guess I'm not sure what you were getting at. Would you mind elaborating?

          regardless, w/o the ground work there's nothing inherent about destitution that will bring about a revolution: https://organizing.work/2020/04/the-myth-of-the-present-moment/

    • Chutt_Buggins [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      if anyone needs a ratline going out of the northeastern states, lemme know.

      I met a bunch of methed out Americans who walked across the border and they told me how to do it. They walked across while carrying their dead friend's ashes, too.

        • Chutt_Buggins [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          for sure.. i need to bone up on all that. For a period of time after the 2016 election, a fair amount of refugees were walking the border and ended up in my neighbourhood. I was asking some of them about it and it was pretty straightforward.

          Seems like the biggest issues are doing it asap, before guards notice there are people walking it, and then you go either in the direction of toronto/montreal, depending on where you crossed. And once across, knowing a safe enough place to stay.

    • AtomPunk [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      My family would want to flee south but uh, I’m not sure Mexico would be any better than staying in the US.