• shitstorm [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    He played himself. Glad I spent hours campaigning for Bernie, but not glad it was wasted because he couldn't stop calling Biden his friend.

    • livingperson2 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I remember reading his book and thinking that shit the whole time. I realized though that the book wasn't for me - it was for dumbass libs. And that shitty rhetoric, too - not for us, for the libs. Not excusing it necessarily.

      Well, not at all actually. It's bad. I literally changed my mind midway through writing that comment.

        • shitstorm [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I'm not asking him to issue a fatwah against the Democratic party, but he put the fucking kiddie gloves on when he needed to go hard on Biden. I still think he's better than anyone in Washington, but Bernie had twice the vigor or more when he was running against Hillary. His own staff was trying to get him to go on the offensive, but he didn't listen.

          Every single media outlet was saying "Bernie can't beat Trump, Bernie will ruin the economy, a socialist cannot win." Then he goes out says "yeah Biden could beat Trump." If he had enough passion to go after Hillary, then he could have at least pretended to put up a fight against Biden. Instead he gave away the farm.

        • RoseishBlue [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          All it really would have done is burnt any bridges Bernie has with the new administration. It would have made him pretty much powerless with no real connections.

  • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Him and Corbyn were too sweet for this Earth. I hope they can at least rest easy now. We can take over from here.

    • livingperson2 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I was so irritated when Corbyn lost. I thought that one was straight up in the bag. Shows what happens when you only pay attention to your bubble, I guess.

      • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I knew Corbyn wouldn't win, but I didn't expect the annihilation that happened.

        • garbology [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          All of the papers gleefully calling it the worst loss since the 30s or whatever, conveniently ignoring that this is post-SNP so all of the Scottish seats that would be Labour are just SNP now, so the comparison isn't apt.

          • Cayman [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            That's true, but there was also an expectation that Corbyn would be able to 'win the arguement' for why Labour in Scotland should return to dominance (increased welfare/federalism). The expectation was increased following the election of Richard Leonard as the Scottish Labour leader (pro-Corbyn), and as such the resulting electoral blowout in Scotland made Corbyn's leadership even more tenuous.

            • garbology [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Interesting insight. I'd say it seems more like a cemented distrust of all London-facing politics, but I admit I don't really understand the Scottish perspective, because I would have advocated for SNP-Labour cooperation, but I guess English support for Labour would collapse if they even seemed to support Scottish Independence?

              • Cayman [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Well I do think that's the same thinking that many activists/Labour were thinking, remember Ed Milliband got tarred and feather by the press for his supposed ties to the SNP (even though thats false). IMO Labour was entering into one of the most politically challenging courses due to the loss of Scotland, and the failures to properly address it from Corbyn's leadership (not pushing federalism enough for instance) did not help. Of course with Keir in charge I would suspect a very slight/minority Labour government, but that won't happen for another 4 years, I will be interested in seeing how the SCG (Socialist Campaign Group - the likes of Zarah Sultana/John McDonnell) adapt to this circumstance.

                • garbology [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  By 2024 if Scotland hasn't had a 2nd Indy ref I imagine support for a new ref, but short of open support for independence, will be a possible angle for the hard left. Especially if Scots keep making themselves heard via dumping fish on Downing St. and indy polling keeps looking decisive.

    • KillSlaveOwners [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Right, I don't think Bernie was perfect or even ideal by any means but I think he was the one lone person honest enough to do the patchwork to actually let us live to fight another day.

  • cilantrofellow [any]
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    4 years ago

    It’s truly over for any mitigating reform. The next shot at best is 2032 with an AOC or Fetterman. Except they aren’t as solid by a wide margin and by then it’s far too late.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        What alternatives are more likely to succeed?

        If a protracted people's war was imminent, yeah, dunking on electoralism would make sense. But we live in a country where the vast majority of people think legitimate political action is limited to (a) elections and (b) protests that aren't even an inconvenience to anyone.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Bashing electoralism in America doesn't do anything for the global south. Arguably, the only way to end American imperialism is to bring socialism to America. Electoral politics are at least as promising an avenue for that as anything else.

    • Gucci_Minh [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Like at this point I just hope american comrades are buying guns, stocking up on essential goods, and making a plan to flee the country if it comes to it. Not that it'll get that bad for sure, maybe america continues on as a zombie state where the bourgeoisie accumulate more and more while the masses are so hopeless and nihilistic that there is no chance of any meaningful change as they desperately cling on to the post ww2 american dream that was sold to them, despite knowing full well the material conditions that enabled the post war golden age will never happen again. The worst case scenario isn't rapid decline, because that might actually lead to something, its continued stagnation.

      • read_freire [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Continued stagnation gives us an outside shot to organize at least. Rapid decline guarantees fascism.

        • HamManBad [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yet because of this fact, it feels like so much organizing goes into preventing the rapid decline without growing actual worker power. We're on a treadmill to hell

          • read_freire [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            putting energy into preventing rapid decline isn't organizing, that's ngo-industrial-complex shit (i.e. Sunrise, XR, etc., etc.)

            unless you're talking about mutual aid, which I'd argue is about keeping people alive so that they might organize another day; or community defense, which I'd also argue isn't about preventing rapid decline but rather defending vulnerable comrades/letting fash know that there's oppo

            I guess I'm not sure what you were getting at. Would you mind elaborating?

            regardless, w/o the ground work there's nothing inherent about destitution that will bring about a revolution: https://organizing.work/2020/04/the-myth-of-the-present-moment/

      • Chutt_Buggins [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        if anyone needs a ratline going out of the northeastern states, lemme know.

        I met a bunch of methed out Americans who walked across the border and they told me how to do it. They walked across while carrying their dead friend's ashes, too.

          • Chutt_Buggins [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            for sure.. i need to bone up on all that. For a period of time after the 2016 election, a fair amount of refugees were walking the border and ended up in my neighbourhood. I was asking some of them about it and it was pretty straightforward.

            Seems like the biggest issues are doing it asap, before guards notice there are people walking it, and then you go either in the direction of toronto/montreal, depending on where you crossed. And once across, knowing a safe enough place to stay.

      • AtomPunk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        My family would want to flee south but uh, I’m not sure Mexico would be any better than staying in the US.

    • PodcastEnjoyer [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Honestly I think Tlaib would be a better candidate than AOC. Got the midwest thing, less cliquey, and doesn't bend as much. But that's all just dreamy fantasy shit to keep us occupied

        • PodcastEnjoyer [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Yea that's a good point. It kind of is an insurmountable political mountain for the time being. I guess I'm saying I would rather have her than AOC.

        • emizeko [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          the establishment will pay Black Cube whatever it takes to make the problem go away

    • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      those mittens do be cute, but if its cold enough for those toasty mitts then he needs a hat, where is bernies hat?

      chapeau dot chat demands answers

      • maeve [she/her,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        A supporter gave him those mittens a few years ago and he wears them all the time! They're made out of recycled sweaters. Another reason to love him. 😭 💙

      • RowPin [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        His enormous brain produces enough heat that he doesn't need it.