Hemingway clearly should have written more gay porn, this is honestly good shit from a technical standpoint

  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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    9 months ago

    It's very funny that Hemingway has the reputation of being a man's man bro misogynist writer, when actually he was a fancy lad who was always in crisis about his own masculinity.

    Also, read his final, posthumously published book, The Garden of Eden if you want some good gender stuff. It's about a couple on their honeymoon that start dressing androgenously and trying to become the same person, and it's very strongly implied that the guy is getting pegged by his wife. It caused a major critical reappraisal of Hemingway when it was published

    • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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      9 months ago

      a man's man bro misogynist writer

      a fancy lad who was always in crisis about his own masculinity.

      two-wolves-1 Not mutually exclusivetwo-wolves-2

      • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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        9 months ago

        Before we start: I am using the term "transgender" in its most common meaning here, i.e. as an umbrella term for all kinds of gender variance.

        I agree if we're going with the broad definition above. Certainly there was GENDER stuff going on with him, but it's kind of hard to pin it down more specifically than that

        • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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          9 months ago

          you should check out the rest of the article. Hemingway also had a trans daughter and regularly confided in her that they were “from the same tribe”. I’m pretty comfortable calling it as a trans person, but everyone is going to draw their own conclusion.

          vivian-shrug

          • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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            9 months ago

            I'll also admit I'm a bit iffy on definitively on ascribing gender or sexuality to historical figures generally. One one hand, it's important to assert that queer people have always existed especially in the face of people who claim that queerness is an an invention of the modern woke left or whatever. On the other hand, I do follow Foucault (big surprise!) in thinking that there is a modern concept of gender and sexuality that is not necessarily equivalent to how historical peoples would have understood themselves.

            I think there's an argument to be made for maximalism in making these determinations, as in the definition I quoted previously, but I personally remain a bit uncomfortable with making those determinations

          • Omniraptor@lemm.ee
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            9 months ago

            Did they regularly confide? I didn't get deep into it but reading the Wikipedia page it seems like their relationship was strained to put it mildly.

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    9 months ago

    "Men writing women" you're outta here. We're doing "Hemingway writing Fitzgerald" now.

      • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        yeah not quite as smooth, I'll never fit into the lyrics of my Hemingway themed rap album

  • 2Password2Remember [he/him]
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    9 months ago

    Hemingway could write about literally anything and make it enjoyable to read, dude was an absolute master stylistically

    Death to America

  • Lerios [hy/hym]
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    9 months ago

    i love reading old classical shit that reads just like my friends' fanfiction lmao. writers are the same

    • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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      9 months ago

      having consumed a lot of fanfiction over the years, you tend to notice what the kinks are for each writer. some of them try to hide it a bit more but others will just bulldoze straight through a wall with pet-play in the second chapter*

      *this obviously excludes the "porn what plot?" -fics