God that fuckin thread. Someone in there really straight-up pulled a "I honestly think the world is split into the greater and the lesser; and the latter exists to serve the former" and had the unmitigated settler gall to take offense when people compared him to a nazi/eugenicist.
me normally:
me when there's confederate scum nearby: THE UNION FOREVER HURRAH BOYS HURRAH DOWN WITH THE TRAITORS UP WITH THE STARS
Greater at what?? You can be the LeBron James of torture but why would I want to live in a society that actualizes your talent? These people power scale societies based off of IQ or something and even given that it predicts your capacity to be a scientist or a
, eventually you're going to want someone to build something. Without the proper care and attention given to the artistic vision and conviction to humanities they're going to build the skyscrapers amd urban sprawls you hate so much. The hierarchical vision you had manifested as shit and nonsense. That instinct betrays you
Is OP stupid or living under a rock? We already have socialism in America. Joe Biden is a card carrying CCP member. Obama is the most influential Marxist after Lenin and Marx himself.
California and New York are the staunchest communist states we have.
The Democratic Party has always been socialist, and the GOP is loyal to Putin.
The US is the only successful socialist country. Period.
Oh yeah? Name one incorrect statement there. I’ll wait. (Edit: besides the statement implying Marxist-Leninism is more influential than Marxist-Bidenism)
I mean my question honestly. Would you profit from tone indicators telling if something is a joke?
Hexbear has a left unity approach meaning that RyanGosling's comment is a joke built on re-hashing bad takes from propagandized USA citizens.
Reddit folks are so conditioned to the use of /s that they can't use context clues to figure out when someone is joking without it.
no one ever seems to stop and think, "I don't actually know that much about socialism, or socialist countries, or socialist history."
Look, just because the most influential philosopher of the last thousand years spent his life explaining it and libraries of books have been written about his work with still more books written about those books, doesn't mean that they can be expected to know what it means. They need you to explain it and respond to all their dumbass questions
I attribute this to my uncle, though it was years ago. I was butting heads about communism. I stopped for a moment to ask him what socialism is. I don't even think he said it's when the government does stuff; he just said it's when taxes are 70%. It gave me the clarity of mind to just give him the thumbs up and go do something else because he wasn't going to listen and he'd never agree with me because he was adamant and ignorant
I remember thinking exactly that shortly after the 2016 election. Now I'm here
OP in that thread has some real bangers in their comment history like "not going into debt is Marxist activism"
On the subject of Marxism, if people stopped getting into debt a lot less money would be flowing to the top. Banks would have fewer profits and their power would shrink. Therefore abstaining from debt could even be considered a kind of activism. The best kind of activism really, because it actually makes you wealthier.
Also they just straight up defend being a landlord insisting it's a ton of work lmao.
This is why we can't have nice things. Like this is just an insult to the entirety of Marx's work.
Back on Reddit I had an esoteric fascist argue to me that capitalism was something invented by Marxists and doesn't really exist, so I guess it could be worse.
Judeo-capitalist-bolshevism. They are really unifying all their phobias.
If it wasn't invented by, the term capitalism certainly was popularized by Marxists.
I suspect that's not what they meant though.
Also they just straight up defend being a landlord
really buried the lede there
The irony is that they’re right but for the wrong reasons. Capitalism would collapse if debt as an economic tool ceased to exist. But paying off your credit card in full every month isn’t going to do that.
I don't think I can take much more of this. Everything is getting so watered down, even though there are fucking definitions and volumes of books written on everything.
Fucking EVERYTHING is up for grabs, words have no meaning, and you can twist literally anything to fit your agenda, and a bunch of braying jackasses will eat it up with a gigantic spoon.
being extremely obnoxious about linguistics (wikipedia pages and arguing over descriptive vs prescriptive only) was one of the defining characteristics of early reddit comment sections. That shit still sets off my alarm bells lol
Nietzsche gets a lot of flack for his obnoxious followers but Wittgenstein has his own lot
that's not quite fair whatever you think about Chomsky politically his work on linguistics is impressive.
Richard Dawkins is a knob but he still does know about biology
yeah well being a good academic is no more a guarantee of morality than being a good plumber is
I once had to explain to a fucking doctor what's the difference between colloquial and philosophical meanings of the word "materialism".
A sh.itsfullof.nazis poster pulled this exact shit on me lol
I'm thinking back to an argument on the Internet (I half heartedly replied to dissenters as I posted lefty propaganda) where they contested my claim that right wing meant that you're in favor of hierarchical organization of society and that necessarily means corporations because it's meta. And they were all "right wing means different things at different times. Sometimes it means a mountain village with bakers and shit." Baby brain and you know their ass only wants a certain kind of person in that village
actually telling me to learn and become knowledgeable on a subject is classism, sweaty
it's so weird to me how these types of people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about yet still do it all the fucking time. Why don't they just go talk about video games or whatever else it is they like to do?
I fully, 100% expect their takes on video games to be incredibly shit as well.
Those are usually either the obnoxious quartering fans and/or obsessive minmaxer mechanoids which actively ruin games by spamming devs non stop 24/7 with their shit ideas untill devs cave in.
Because they think they're smart
Smart people discuss politics
And of course, smart people always start political discussions with links to Wikipedia
Dunning-kruger effect. The most ignorant like being very vocal, most do really just go and talk about video games.
The synthesis is that there are those who unironically think video games are political theory. I've had someone (IRL but talks about reddit all the time) explain to me how Bioshock proves that far left and far right are equally bad. What the fuck is up with libs and fiction? They just take it all at face value and do zero critical analysis.
Bioshock proves that far left and far right are equally bad
The series does claim this, repeatedly. Andrew Ryan is a libertarian dumbfuck and evil. Fontaine is a fascist and evil. The unions are gullible rubes that Fontaine uses to gain power for himself. Bioshock 2's villain is, IIRC, supposed to be communist. Bioshock Infinite shows an apartheid state to be evil, but then shows that the revolution that overthrows this apartheid is actually worse.
Socialism is when the goverment does stuff, the more it does the more socialist it is. If it does a whole lotta of stuff, its communism.
Socialism is the transitionary stage of society between capitalism and communism.
Socialism begins when the proletariat seize power away from the bourgeoisie, ending the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and installing the dictatorship of the proletariat. This is the meaningful point at which the transition between capitalism and communism has begun, the point at which the capitalists are not in power, but instead the working class.
All states that achieve this status are socialist states in practice. The varying unique conditions each country finds themselves in will define what economic and transitional policies they undertake, which will look very different depending on the strategy they're pushed into by the varying conditions.
To some degree isn't it just describing the decoupling of power from capital?
Ultimately capitalism began when the bourgeoisie seized power from the monarchs and developed a system that was designed around empowering them. The development of the capitalist economic system comes after the seizure of power and develops around the resistances and problems it encounters.
The same can be said of socialism. It begins when the proletariat seize power but what it becomes is a process of time and development. The obsession people have with full central planning vs markets vs something else is not as important as the seizure of power and construction of institutions that maintain that power.
Link it you absolute lib https://lemmy.world/post/6238022
Shouts out to @Dkarma@lemmy.world -27 "Just Google it u lazy little shit"
Oh boy what a thread. Amazing to see all that Finland talk, I so wish those people do choose to come to the Nordics.
Let them come without knowing the language. Tbf if poor and unemployed they can never even get in. If no language = no job so poverty and working for 9€/day mandatorily for your unemployment is your life very fast. Can also clean toilets/pick vegetables for such a small pay it won't even be enough to house you.
Also no real healthcare unless rich.
They will see the true colours of these socdem fascist shitholes decorated with niceness real fast.
This per si is a very individualistic/liberal way to see the matter! I would love to live in Cuba, for example, since I understand Spanish pretty well, yet, if I am a true socialist, it means that I want mankind to live in socialism and after, communism. The best way to do it is to fight for revolution in my country.
Let's define what socialism is
Even asking this question amongst well read leftists will give you 500 different answers lol.
Good thing they didn't, since libs split mostly between "when the government does stuff," "when the government does good stuff (Scandinavia)," and "when the government does bad stuff ( Cuba
)"Yeah and they're all wrong because I'm the only one who knows what socialism is and I'm not telling.
Oh shit oh fuc the socialism understander™ has logged on.
