She's such a legend.
I unsubbed from MR after Michael Brooks death. There is no left anchor on that show anymore. Thought Jamie could step in and sort of fill that void, but she still seems to be relegated to a 3rd string, or maybe she just doesn't really care for that spotlight.
i used to think producers just like give money and take credit. what do they do other than be rich?
Same. I'm still not sure myself but think about it like this: producers do whatever a director doesn't do. It can be from making sure the set is ready on time to making sure there's a coherent vision between everyone involved. It's a really big tent. A lot of the time a producer is the guy that hires a director or screenwriter in the first place. That's why there's always a ton of them in the credits. Executive Producer is basically anyone you want to credit but they didn't do enough to get a full producer billing.
For a radio show like MR the producer is the person looking out that things run during while the host does the hosting. So taking listener calls, puting in ad breaks, going live, monitoring levels and the broadcast. Things like that.
i always used to think executive producers are like...super producers. you know, they do so much more than normal producers.
I still remember Ken Ken & Ken on MR when sam & brooks cosplayed up like smug conservative brooklynites https://ibb.co/zSKp657 Those were the days.
it’s taken a more liberalism / trump coverage turn now
Yeah those characters were from Boston I think. Or some part of Massachusetts
The characters that they were playing were from somewhere other than Brooklyn.
lol I was expecting them to be dressed in grey, two sizes too large suits going to a libertarian conference.
I'm on the Antifada discord, she said it there one day, and she also said that she'd rather be on full-time.
Idk if she roasted him at all but Sam really should've interrupted less. But then BJG is a lawyer from Harvard so it's not like she needs gentle treatment.
He sounded like a petty child virtually the entire interview.
In my opinion her points gave more introspection for the cause
and to be fair sams crew would attack her & jimmy on a personal level that was gross
She's been attacking people on personal level on Twitter for weeks over this shit. She also sat by while Dore personally attacked a bunch of people who are otherwise well meaning and supposed to be her allies and didn't say shit.
I can pick out many examples from a hat with MR & his 1 million subscriber platform compared to Bries twitter.. Her platform has been all policy. I had been a viewer until now by his complete smugness & personal attack pettiness in bad faith unironically
Wish michael brooks was part of the dialogue.
Her platform has been all policy.
https://twitter.com/KweenInYeIIow/status/1346085984803434497?s=20
People see the shit she posts and likes.
Why are you talking to me like I am defending Sam Seder? As I already said, both BJG and Sam Seder have acted like petulant liberal children. BJG sat down on camera and let Jimmy Dore talk a bunch of shit about people who she runs in the same circle as and said nothing to defend them, and in some cases joined in briefly before being too cowardly and just deleting it, fearing the consequences, and I am supposed to see her as a victim? Am I supposed to be surprised or offended that the people who consider her a friend and ally decided to give it back to her?
This whole FTV shit wasn't even about M4A, it was about building the Posters' Party and getting people to go on Dore's show
Oh, and here's and idea of what Michael Brooks would have said about all of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhn89O_Z96M
I'm not really sure how the fuck you could have listened to anything Michael ever said, especially before his death, about how the left needs to carry itself and talk and treat to people, and expect him to turn around and say, "Yes, this movement that has called people like Cori Bush and AOC sellouts is actually a good and useful movement." But who knows, maybe like BJG said, Michael would have agreed if he with her if he just could have read her article, which is definitely not a narcissistic thing to say.
What’s with the hostility? I don’t want to entertain the conspiracies grifting argument anymore that obfuscates from real butter & bread issues
You are right, I am sorry, I shouldn't be hostile to a movement whose only tangible outcome has been dividing the left by primarily making its case by accusing anyone who disagrees with the tactic of being a sellout and an enemy. My apologies. You are also right, we should definitely not consider any material motivations that the people leading this movement might actually have, especially ones they have openly admitted to having.
even i don’t call MR a grifter whos guided solely on making money. nor do i think #forcethevote is about Jimmy Dore. I think all politicians are prone to Washington Brains & need to be called out. But the Ben Dixon style approach of accusing people of being plants & grifters is more divisive & better example of circular firing going on the left which wouldn’t happen as severely with MR solidarity
As opposed to the Jimmy Dore approach of accusing people of being plants and grifters?
Lmao "dividing the left" yeah I would hate to be divided from the Democratic Party and its supporters, that would be terrible
Thank you for admitting this isn't about actually getting people healthcare.
I'm not even a force the vote guy, I'm a fucking Communist lmao
Americans will never get universal healthcare. Working with the Democratic Party will never lead to even the smallest victory. Both sides of this bullshit are utterly pointless nonsense from people who still fundamentally believe that Democrats are good guys and Republicans are bad guys.
Escaping Earth's orbit is possible, but you'll never do it by flapping your arms really hard.
They people leading the FTV movement have literally split, antagonized, and smeared people who are working outside of Democratic Party apparatus to get people healthcare because they don't think this tactic will work. Which of course it won't, because it was intentionally designed to help the Posters Party, not work towards getting people healthcare.
Yeah both sides of this argument are total dumbasses for thinking that they will ever see their interests represented in literally way in American politics.
My argument from the beginning over this tactic is that for M4A to happen, there will have to be sufficient organization outside of Congress to be able to cause sufficient harm to the capitalist class such that M4A is the more preferable alternative, which obviously involves a great deal of labor organizing and other organizing efforts. And that as such, this FTV movement, which supposed that they can rely on the corporate media to highlight, in the movements favor, a spectacle showing why the Democratic Party as a whole won't deliver M4A, and from which a new movement will spontaneously spring forth, will not be successful. It relies on the capitalist media to cover the fight at all, let alone in a way favorable to the movement, and supposed that 'if the people just knew" that they would rise up. If FTV came near the end of an organizational strategy that was coupled with strike actions, boycotts, etc. I think it might be an effective tactic to get M4A.
When I initially voiced that sort of criticism when this all initially started, I was accused of not wanting people to have healthcare. So apologies for being hostile to you personally, but I've reached the end of my rope with a lot of the people pushing this shit.
“ @KweenInYeIIow So cowardly. If Brie got something to say she needs to speak up instead of liking other peoples tweets.”
Holy shit! This is some grade A junior high level petty shit. Glad I don’t have Twitter
Given that this all started off of some dickhead saying "Support my tactic or you are an enemy of the left," what more would you expect other than petty drama?
More like "do at least the bare minimum or you're an enemy of the left" which is correct analysis.
More like "do wrecker shit over a weak tactic that a group of people have confused with strategy".
Jimmy has driven away multiple people on his show. Don't act like his shit doesn't stink - it does and he's embarrassing.
I heard jimmy stole/banged his girl in the 90’s. So all of this is some weird gen x’er drama
Yeah, it was bad live. But he apologized and took the shaming well from the IM's at the end of the show.
She’s been attacking people on personal level on Twitter for weeks over this shit
Good.
Nobody should have ever taught DSA liberals the word "wrecker" because they use it to mean "Someone who criticizes my liberal friends".
"I'm very upset someone used the term 'wrecker' correctly to describe a movement that has caused chaos inside the M4A movement not to further universal healthcare but to prop up the Posters Party."
He didn't use the term. But said that brie was there to carry water for white people.
Dude list like 10k followers and a letter grade drop on social media scoring sites, shit you know he follows.
His a huge sell out.
No one on tmr goes after brie really. It's a bad move she will sic her engaged followers on you.
But the subreddit just seems like a bunch of sexist racist libs
The subreddit really goes after her. There are usually multiple post a day complaining about her attitude on Twitter, the best was one saying she was the main reason Bernie lost. It’s weird because she never really gets brought up when I watch the show. I ask someone what’s you guy’s deal with her. This whole FTV thing isn’t really being talked about ad naseum on other left spaces. The reply was “ that’s not true, it’s a big discussion on the V——-h sub”. It all makes sense now
Whole thing was hard to watch but I've had FTV stuff largely tuned out so I wanted to watch the heavyweight wonks (so to speak) go at it. Cane away with my original view intact that I'm not opposed to FingTV but I really don't think it's going to make any significant difference either way.
The point that was new to me here was the idea of getting media attention on the vote and the fight around the vote, but frankly I think they'd have no problem giving it barely any attention and justifying that by pointing out that it's destined for failure and therefore not a big deal.
Admittedly I was splitting my attention with Hitman 3 so I may have missed something.
i’ve been super addicted to Super Mario All Stars 3D for a while 😫
A beautifully articulate representative for #forcethevote All bad faith takes taken down detail . Thanks Brie, well done
Any highlight timestamps for those who don't have time to watch the whole thing?
This is sort of what you're looking for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epCEz6bJMKo
Edit: there are also some clipped fragments on her twitter profile .
